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Another Assault on the First Amendment

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    If you choose not to read the OP or ignore what it says, that is clearly your choice.

    Your entrenched position has evidently affected your reading skills.

    So be it.
     
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    I've read it in completion and in depth, but hey, whatevery you say :rolleyes:
     
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    Then you have simply chosen to ignore what it says and go with your uninformed opinion.

    I can't fix your ignorance. You have to do it yourself.
     
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    :rolleyes:




    :sleep:


    Nothing like an intellectually challenging discussion on the constitution and case history!
    :laugh:


    Me thinks my constitution is ready for a midday nap.
     
  5. carpro

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    I understand.

    What is one to do when one party absolutely refuses to read the subject matter , or chooses to pretend what it says doesn't exist?

    I keep hoping he'll actually read the article, but he apparently doesn't wish to acknowledge that his opinion isn't shared by the attorney for Indy News.
     
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    Uh, I was actually in agreement with the notion that it might be a first amendment violation, until I did my homework, and discovered it wasn't. I've invited you and anyone else to cite any precedent to support the idea that it's a first amendment violation, in case my result was in error. No one has done, so, including you. And what is your response? To call me uninformed and ignorante. The ignorance is obviously yours, which you alone will need to fix.
     
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    And you have posted absolutely nothing to back that up.

    Just your opinion.

    Meanwhile you pretend the references to the first amendment in the OP just aren't there.

    The attorney for Indy News doesn't share you opinion. The OP makes that clear. Yet you deny it's even mentioned.
     
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    Uh, that's because there is nothing to support the claim that it's a violation of the first amendment. There's nothign in either the OP or the linked article that cites anything. If you have a case citation, then by all means please cite it.
     
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    Just the OP.

    Which you refuse to read.
     
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    Indeed. The invasion of privacy is an egregious affront to the rights of the contributors.

    Add to that the over reach of an illegal gag order placed on a News organization in an effort to control the free speech right of the press, and you have a pattern of abuse by the Obama administration that continues to grow.

    The hoodlums in the white House are determined to control the dissemination of news, using illegal gag orders, threats, and intimidation tactics.
     
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    Sir, since I've made it abundantly clear that I have read not only the OP in detail, but also the link, whenever you make the claim that I haven't read it, you are engaging in a lie, and we all know what that makes you.

    Now, kindly provide support for the concept that a subpoena for a website's hit/visit information is a violation of Amendment I. There's nothing in the OP, and nothing in the link, that supports that. Further, there's no case law to support it.
     
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    You say you have been unable to find legal precedence for this gag order to be a violation of the first amendment.

    You are either a liar or so grossly incompetent at Google searches that it defies description.

    It took me one search and about 30 seconds of reading to find it.

    Until you can be honest about your posts, I suggest you just go away.
     
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    I guess it's only a first amendment issue if it violates free speech, or infringes on the freedom of the press.......
     
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    I wasn't talking about the gag order. That's obviously out of bounds regarding Amendment I. I was referring to the subpoena for the site's IP/hit records. I made that clear in my very first post, and several posts thereafter.

    I wasn't talking about your mule, Tevye, I was talking about your daughter.
     
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    I did so already. The gag order is obviously out of bounds regarding Amendment I. The subpoena for the site's IP/hit records is not.
    I said no such thing. I said I have been unable to find legal precedence for a subpoena on IP/hit records to be a violation.
    Now you're just being puffy. There were two issues here. The Subpoena for hit records, and the gag order. I have been discussing the submoena for hit records, and you thought I was referring to the gag order. I was not.
     
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    Why weren't you? I made it obvious in the OP which one I was referring to as a free speech issue.
    Start paying attention and making yourself clear. We'll have fewer misunderstandings that way.
     
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    I made myself clear. You're just strutting.

    In post number 2, I expressly stated I was referring to the subpoena for gathering of information pertaining to "subscribing to a periodical, or to a person visiting a website".

    In post number 3, You stated that you believed the subpoena to be a violation of privacy rights. You said nothing of the gag order, but were referring to the subpoena.

    It's obvious that you're either now changing your tune for the purpose of strutting. And you have the nerve to call me disingenuous? Your very words display your own disingenuousness.
     
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    And you weren't paying attention.

    If you're going to continue to spout your opinions as the be all end all of every discussion, you need to at least make sure you're on topic.

    So, start paying attention.

    End of discussion.
     
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    It's obvious YOU'RE not paying attention. In post#2, I expressly referred to the subpoena, and in post#3, you were likewise referring to the subpoena (not the gag order).

    You're obviously being disingenuous.
     
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