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Answer me, someone, please

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by loving2daysyouth, May 3, 2005.

  1. loving2daysyouth

    loving2daysyouth New Member

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    I've tried several times to find an answer, and yet no one has anything Biblical to say.

    For those who hold to the "Calvinist" side, we both would agree that we will stand in judgment someday before the Lord. My question is, what does he say to the "not-so-lucky" people who were not drawn to him or however you want to phrase it???
     
  2. David Michael Harris

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    I never knew you. Depart from me. ( Seperation, I do not like the world Hell but it fits ).

    For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.

    Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God's unique Son.

    And this is the basis for judgment: The light has come into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light because their actions were evil.

    For everyone who practices wickedness hates the light and does not come to the light, so that his actions may not be exposed.

    But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that all may see that his actions have been done in God."

    Its tuff stuff but sin is a nasty thing and has some serious consequences, it will all be forgotten one day and will not be remembered.

    David

    [ May 03, 2005, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: David Michael Harris ]
     
  3. Wes Outwest

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    David,
    What is you definition of "the world" in you second statement?
     
  4. loving2daysyouth

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    That doesn't make any sense, if your a Calvinist. What is "doing what is true" by your terms?
     
  5. David Michael Harris

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    Those in it.

    David
     
  6. David Michael Harris

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    Never said I was a Calvinist.
    I have a lot of problems with Reformed groups but I agree with TULIP.

    David
     
  7. Wes Outwest

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    Yes, Sin is tuff stuff, that is why it took God the Son to atone for it! And atone he did for ALL the sin of the world.

    That means that NO MAN dies for sin because the penalty for sin has been paid in full!

    Sin is not a factor in man's salvation because Jesus dealt with sin ONCE for ALL!

    So back to the Question...
     
  8. David Michael Harris

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    If this is another C/A debate I am not interested.

    Loving... asked a Q and I aswered her desperate plea [​IMG]

    David
     
  9. loving2daysyouth

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    That's almost blasphemous, if it wasn't for sin, Christ never would have come. Yes, salvation and sin are directly connected. The penalty has been paid, the gift that was given then needs to be accepted. If refused, then you refuse the payment that was made.

    I think, the problem is the relationship between man's free will and God's sovereignty, which are directly connected!
     
  10. David Michael Harris

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    Interesting...maybe accepting our condition and recieving Gods grace.

    Maybe the Spirit is offended and does not save.

    Another hornets nest stirred [​IMG]

    Never reject God.

    David
     
  11. loving2daysyouth

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    But, receiving would be a work. That's not the truth, according to Calvin.
     
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    In the bible Christ often said, "You have ears but you do not hear." I believe that when the final judgement comes, He will look at those who rejected His love with tearful eyes and tell them, "I knocked, you wouldn't open the door; I offered you love and forgiveness, you rejected it. I spoke, and you didn't hear. Its too late now."
     
  13. loving2daysyouth

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    But that requires a person's acceptance/hearing/receiving. God's judgment is based on our works, just like man has always wanted!!! Thus, Calvinism is not logical nor Biblical!

    And, I am a guy, David, not a girl!
     
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    He will say "I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness". Is their condemnation not just?
     
  15. David Michael Harris

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    What is almost blasphemous?

    David
     
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    First, why do you suppose Redemption to have its foundation in luck?

    Certainly you believe and would agree that God is Sovereign and therefore is not relying on luck or chance in any measure.

    So, first drop the "not-so-lucky" people.

    These cannot be both drawn to God through His Everlasting Love and at the same time this be called a process of luck.

    Next, realize that All sin has been atoned for by the shed blood of Christ; this applies to them the Father has given to Him only. None other.

    This statement does not do any harm to the number who are eternally lost because it is from the total number of the lost which God has chosen a people for Himself and Given to His Son to accomplish Redemption, Righteousness and ultimately Holiness.

    I am getting ready to leave. I have copied your question and I will try to give it more thought tonight. And will try to answer you better tomorrow if the Lord is willing.

    debtor to Free Grace,
    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
  17. David Michael Harris

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    Not if He enabled you to do it, you do not know your Bible, repentance is a gift of God. No repentance, no faith, no faith, no Salvation.

    Grace all the way.

    The only way you can come to Jesus is through repentance to God and He PERMITS this for you.

    David

    [ May 03, 2005, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: David Michael Harris ]
     
  18. David Michael Harris

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    Sorry, could start a new thread on that, I do apologise, all men make mistakes, why people cannot use real names I do not know.

    Blush....

    David
     
  19. David Michael Harris

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    Not if He enabled you to do it, you do not know your Bible, repentance is a gift of God. No repentance, no faith, no faith, no Salvation.

    Grace all the way.

    The only way you can come to Jesus is through repentance to God and He PERMITS this for you.

    David
    </font>[/QUOTE]What is quoted above is from within the Bible and has nothing to do with John Calvin.

    David
     
  20. Wes Outwest

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    True, Sin is a factor of human life and none of us can go back 6000 years and change that! Neither can any of us change in any way the completed work of the Christ that occured 2000 years ago! Whether or not we accept the gift is solely dependent on each of us individually. We can not alter one little thing about it. Nevertheless, the gift of everlasting life is there for whosoever believes!

    By the way, do be careful what you call blasphemous, remember what happened to the Priesthood that Labeled what Jesus said as blasphemous! They lost there position as intercessors between Man and God!
     
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