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read in some theology book , honestly can't rememer who authored it, that death of Jesus brought general atonement to all, in that all wivew have an eternity, but that specific atonement provoded to amke sure his own get eternal life, rest eternal death still!

 

Of course I disagree, based on what I believe to be an essential aspect of God's character, and scripture which I believe supports my position.

We'll never see eye-to-eye on this, so there's not much point in my continuing to discuss it. But I probably will.

 

Freedom, brother!

 

I just gave you Scripture (John 5:24) which delineates a three-fold promise of Christ how one can never lose their salvation. To deny this would attack the character of God. Any Scripture you provide would deny the Scripture given.

 

Yes, and God called infants who were sacrificed to idols "my children" and said they were "borne unto me".

Eze 16:20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

I believe we start out as God's children, but we can become children of the devil by choice.

 

Hasn't the child of God trusted in Christ to save him from his sins (Mt. 1:21)? What agency in man would deliver him into sin? If God is unable to save man from the very agency that would deliver him to sin then we must ask the question is God the Savior from sin at all and who then is the real savior from sin if it is not in God's hands but in your hands all along?

How does Philippians 2:13 play a part in your salvaiton and your theory of salvation?

"For it is God that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO of HIS GOOD PLEASURE"

Would not that very statement be oxymoronic according to your "freedom" theory?

 

The verse I believe proves OSAS is John 6:37.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Jesus said whoever comes to him he will in no wise (which means under any circumstance) cast out.

I came to Jesus in my heart. I know I am saved because he promised in no wise to cast me out. Jesus cannot lie, he cannot break his word or his promise.

Jesus didn't say you have to come over and over again. You only have to come once. He gives you life that very instant, you have passed from death to life and shall not come into condemnation.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Jesus gives us eternal life and says we shall "never" perish. If a person could walk away from salvation, then this verse could not be true, a person who once believed could certainly perish.

 

And any scripture I provide that refuted the scripture you provide would have you replying that your scripture trumps my scripture.

And 'round and 'round, and up and down, and back and forth, and hither and yon, and on and on........

 

That is why I will stick with just John 5:24, and the three irrefutable truths that it presents.
Furthermore, as I mentioned, from John 5:24 we learn that eternal life is eternal and the loss thereof would make eternal only temporary. So you are faced with a conundrum. What is the definition of eternal? Can eternal become temporary? If it can then Jesus Christ becomes a liar doesn't he?

 

No, of course not.

But don't get me started again on the true meaning of the word translated "eternal".

I'll get accused of being a heretic and told I'm going to hell.

 

Revelation 20:10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet are also. They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
--The definition of eternal should be defined well enough in the above statement.

 

Never got an response to the above post!

 

I'll try to get to it.

Now I'm trying to fight off insults and attacks from a Romanist extremist.

On second thought, let me try now; I might not get back to it.

Of course God works in us to that purpose, but we have the freedom to resist, rebel, and turn away.

Maybe more later -- don't know.

 

Why fight them off? You seem to want to include some of their doctrine in your own cafeteria-line theology.

 

The text does not say God works in us for that purpose. The Text says that God works in both "TO WILL" and "TO DO" of his good pleasure.

However, answer the former part of my post first. When you can.

 

Have you ever examined the constituent parts of the Greek term "aionios" translated "forever"? It is composed of three Greek words. Look at the meaning of those three words and then read them together.