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I have read a number of your posts and have seen a great many untruths in them. We have pointed out those errors many times and you refuse to see it, even though it is staring you right in the face.

 

Your heirarchy of truth: #1 KJV, #2 Holy Spirit of Truth.
What a backward notion I must have had for so long, that the 'second fiddle' Holy Spirit actually came first, as well as that the original biblical writings came long before the KJV!

 

He preserved the Greek text for almost 2000 years and the Hebrew and Aramaic texts for much longer. English doesn't even closely compare.

The textus receptus is not an English text. So you think the textus receptus has no textual variants?

 

I don't "think" that what you have said is not the truth. I know that it is not the truth and my love for the truth and my desire to not see it maligned is what causes me to speak up.

I don't think you are evil or that you intend to attack God's word. I don't think you intend to change the biblical doctrine of Scripture. I think you have been mistaught. We have several exposed things that you have said, and then you reply with "I really didn't know that." You have shown us that you have not studied this issue. YOu have shown us that you are just repeating what you have heard from others. Unfortunately for you, you have been listening to the wrong sources.

I am at perfect peace on this issue and my love for God's word has greatly increased since I started using modern versions. YOu would probably find the same to be true for you. But in the end, it is not about preference or desire. It is about truth. Truth will stand on its own. That is why this KJVO doctrine is at best a nuisance. It is not affecting the truth of Scripture. It is unfortunately affecting the faith of some who are being taught that they really can't have God's word in modern language and who are being taught to doubt God's word. That is the worst thing. I really don't care who believes in KJVO. What I care about is that they are spreading their doctrine and creating doubt in the mind of people about God's word. That needs to stop immediately.

 

Not entirely true. It was not preserved all that time. We do not have the early references to it. Secondly, the variant (its absence) was preserved longer than the inclusion. We know that by the dates of the texts in which the variant is found or not found.

No, I am not telling you that. In fact, I have already answered that question. God has promised to preserve his word. There are times in history when his word has not been extant.

No, that is not what I believe. God didn't omit it from his word. Look at 1:17 and 2:8 among other passages. It is right there for all to see.

Nope.

Nope, there is no doubt except the doubt that you are creatinag by your attacks on God's word. There are very simple explanations for these things that involve the truth of manuscripts transmission and do not create doubt. When you start telling people things that aren't true, you are the one creating doubt.

 

I don't. I never have used a version that casts doubt on what God has really said. The only people that doubt it are people like you who do not understand the biblical doctrine of inspiration and the principles of textual transmission and translations.

No, and neither did the KJV translators.

That is because you do not use a real KJV1611. You use a later revision of it.

Then you need to study the doctrine of Scripture and the principles of translations and transmission. There is an easy solution that doesn't require us to deny what Scripture teaches about itself.

Hopefully then you will learn something and quit casting doubt.

In 7 years of using an MV, I have had three questions about what God's word actually says. Two were from KJVO perspectives and one was from a lady who wanted to know whether Christ sent out 70 or 72 disciples. They were easy questions to answer.

Your confusion stems from your faulty premise. If you deal with the premise biblically, the confusion goes away. There is not this great mass of confusion out there. You are told there is by people who are KJVO. Go to a church that uses something else and just listen and participate for a while. You will very quickly see that this confusion doesn't exist.

 

Amen, Brother Pastor Larry -- Preach it!

 

I have encountered quite quite a few instances where people who were KJVO understood the scriptures wrong because they thought they understood the KJV when in reality they didn't.

That is absolutely, positively ridiculous. I know KJVO people who were won to Christ with an NIV. If a witness knows the gospel and the MVhe is using, there is nothing to confuse an unbeliever that wouldn't be there if he were using a KJV.

 

I have encountered quite quite a few instances where people who were KJVO understood the scriptures wrong because they thought they understood the KJV when in reality they didn't.
</font>[/QUOTE]Amen, Brother Scott J. -- Preach it!

 

How many times have you read through the Bible in a translation other than the KJV? How many times have you been in a solid preaching church that uses something other than the KJV? My suspicion is that you have never been consistently exposed to a modern version and therefore you have no clue what you are talking about. I can testify to both questions and say without any shadow of a doubt and without any fear of contradiction that the only confusion comes from people like yourself who have been falsely taught.

Why are unbelievers witnessing??? I have never seen an unbeliever confused with a mdoern version. Will is probably like you ... he has never done a lot of reading or working with modern versions. That gives a very biased perspective. Having witnessed to unbelievers and having led them to the Lord, I can testify without a doubt that, humanly speaking, it is far easier from a modern version than from a KJV. That is simply the fact.

Then why don't you show me where? So far every charge you and your side has made has been shown to be false. You have failed in every single attempt. If I am in denial, then you should have no problem using the actual facts to show me where.

 

I agree with Larry - witnessing is far easier using a modern version than a KJV - as someone who has witnessed using both.

 

Of course. Paul, Peter, John, and the rest of them had to read the KJV before they could be inspired to write what centuries later was the source to write the KJV.

 

Michelle, WHICH REVISION of the Textus Receptus is "the one"? Erasmus himself revised it repeatedly! I thought it was 3 times, but Skanwmatos correctly reminded me it was FIVE times! That's before Stephanus or Beza made THEIR multiple revisions.

WHICH ONE IS RIGHT?????????