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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by mickd7, Dec 15, 2004.

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  1. mickd7

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    For Dr. Bob to say that the Gift of the Holy Ghost is a sham and heretic ,wheather you believe it or not you have blasphemed the Holy Ghost as you attributed something from God as from the devil who is the father of all lies.
    If you do not believe something in the Word of God or dont understand it, it is best to keep your mouth shut than speak about something you do not know what you are talking about.
    And Bob you do not have a inkling about the things of the Holy Ghost and have shown it by your disgusting tirade on this board about the Gifts of God and from this day forward I dust my feet off concerning you and will never address you again on this board and may God have mercy on your soul.
     
  2. untangled

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    Fat Eagle,

    I don't think he said it was from Satan.

    In Christ,

    Brooks
     
  3. Phillip

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    Dr. Bob can handle himself to respond to you Fat Eagle, but there is absolutely nothing Biblical about pentecostal beliefs.

    Here are the beliefs that are not Biblical.

    A) Speaking in tongues by babbling and coming up with new revelations. If you speak and someone hears it in another language. If you really cannot understand what Paul is saying here, I suggest you read the entire chapter in context:

    2 Corinthians 13:1

    1 ¶ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
    2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

    B) Baptism of the Holy Spirit at a time other than salvation.

    C) Eternal security

    You are obviously trying to peddle your pentecostal beliefs on the Baptist site. These beliefs are not Baptist nor are they Biblical. Like I said, if you believe one, you will eventually start believing them all.

    Accusing someone of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a VERY serious charge. You yourself are walking on thin ice. I would be careful.

    Also, saying what Dr. Bob said was from Satan is also a very serious charge.

    In fact, depending on the reason you write this it sure borderlines on libel and slander. Libel
    "primarily" but not necessarily ONLY (may include "slander" too due to the method of posting). Libel is typically written.
     
  4. dean198

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    I don't think Fat Eagle cares too much what detractors say, but I think he or she has a valid point. People on here are too quick to condemn all prophetic and word of knowledge gifts, even though Spurgeon experienced them and the early Baptists believed them. The early Baptists believed in their Confessions [not scant references as one claimed] that the Spirit is received after baptism. Though this belief was not AS prevalent amongst the Particular Baptists [from whom the majority of American Baptist churches descend] it was nigh universal amongst the General Baptists, who have unbroken continuance to today in England. To deny these English churches the title of 'Baptist' is extremely arrogant to say the least. I can understand more concerning 'Bapticostal' churches in the United States, since they have a Wesleyan influence, but even then, is that any worse that the heretical Protestant and Plymouth Brethren beliefs of the people on here trying to steal the name Baptists for their non-historically Baptist beliefs?
     
  5. Phillip

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    I lost an entire post. I do not understand why the BB is accepting someone who even CALLS themselves Bapticostal, by admitting they are a different denomination.

    Yes, you are right. If a heretical doctrine exists that is not Biblical, then it should be dealt with. KJVonlyism is an example.

    If one accepts the gift of unknown babbling, then they will start taking on the other doctrines of Pentecostalism. In this case, then they ARE Pentecostal.

    Baptism is a symbol. It was used by other Jewish groups to show a person belonged or agreed with the group. This is why water Baptism is closely tied to church membership in many Baptist churches. Jesus was saying that the Holy Spirit would Baptise us, meaning that it symbolizes that we accept and agree with the Holy Spirits witness that Jesus Christ is Lord. Therefore, it happens upon salvation.

    What is the "sign" that a person is Baptised by the Holy Spirit if they do not have the gift of tongues?

    Why are other gifts, like healing not as prevalent today? Only babbling, which is easy to do.

    Yes, you are right, Baptists adhere to Biblical doctrine. Or should adhere to Biblical doctrine, but many, many churches are straying, especially in what I consider the end times and Pentecostalism is one of those major things that takes the importance from the Grace of Jesus Christ.

    If a person does not have the gift of tongues, do they get a warm feeling inside, much like holding the Book of Mormon?

    God says to TEST the spirits. Dr. Bob has a problem with the fact it is not Biblical, so how can you libel him by saying he has stated it is wrong?

    Who cares what Spurgeon did. He was human. What Baptist preacher do you know that is 100% absolutely correct on every single doctrine. But, this is obviously nothing more than pentecostal infiltration into Baptist churches.

    Why did people have to place the sick to be touched by Peter's shadow. The Bible indicates thousands were saved. Why then did only Peter and other apostles have the gift of healing?

    Besides, I say it again. If the Holy Spirit makes a revelation using an unknown tongue then it should be written down so that others can study it because it is equal to the Bible.

    It is funny that excuses will be made not to print some of this because they know a real scientist in language will tear it apart.

    Why in the World is it necessary for God to speak in an "unknown tongue"?

    Speaking Spanish, an unknown tongue in my church, would only be self edifying. Therefore, we speak in English, and this is according to Paul. You are misinterpreting 2 Cor. 13. Paul does not indicate that he DOES speak in the language of angels; besides he said it is nothing but "clanging" if he did--so why make a full doctrine out of it? Corinthians is used to correct a very wayward church. Why use those corrections to come up with doctrines like the church at Corinth.

    I am frankly surprised the BB is allowing doctrine this false to be debated in the Baptist only area. But, like KJVonlyism, it is not Biblical. I WILL stand on my convictions and "argue" my position the way Paul did.
     
  6. Phillip

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    2 Corinthians 13:1

    1 ¶ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
    2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.


    Read this in context. Do you really think Paul can understand all mysteries with a finite mind? Paul is using these as a figure of speach. Though I can do all of this stuff, blah blah blah it means NOTHING without charity (or modern translation -- love).

    Again, what is the knowledge of being Baptised by the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, or a warm feeling in the bossom?
     
  7. Dr. Bob

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    You are wrong on so many levels Fat that I can't imagine how you could post this.

    Where EVER did I say the gifts of the Spirit are a sham and heresy? I said - "THE SHAM GIFTS of tongues, word of knowledge, word of revelation . . ."

    They are NOT REAL. That is what "sham" means. They are NOT THE REAL GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT.

    If someone comes to me and says they speak in tongues, I will put them to the test. They must follow the criteria of Acts and I Cor. And while they SAY it is "real", THEY LIE.

    I've said it and say again, "The modern tongues movement is NOT REAL. It is a SHAM gift, not the real gift of the Spirit, or else it would follow the Bible."

    Dintinctive #1 of Baptists = the BIBLE (NOT TONGUES, REVELATION, etc) is our only authority for faith and practice.

    You don't believe that? You're not a Baptist by consensus definition.
     
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    When my grandson applied for membership on this board, he was told that two-year-olds were not allowed to post to this board. Some of these last several posts make it quite obvious that these members have falsified their registration information in order to get around that age restriction. :rolleyes:

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    "I've said it and say again, "The modern tongues movement is NOT REAL. It is a SHAM gift, not the real gift of the Spirit, or else it would follow the Bible."

    I reject pentecostal tongues as false gibberish.
     
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    Especially this one dude that hasn't figured out where he lives . . . [​IMG]
     
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    Especially this one dude that hasn't figured out where he lives . . . [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe evolution exists and Craig crawled OUT of the sea?

    Instead of early age, we have early humanoid. :eek: [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  13. Craigbythesea

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    Phillip,

    Jesus loves you! [​IMG]

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  14. Phillip

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    You don't have to tell me that. I KNOW IT! But, thanks! He loves you too. Good night. [​IMG] ;) [​IMG]
     
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    We all give a location where we live. At least a state, if not city.

    Craigbythesea gives the West Coast. We all are just wondering if you don't know exactly WHERE you live. [​IMG] Hence my "word play".

    If you're having troub, craigbythesea, we can put out an Amber Alert . . :D :D
     
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    Happy little bunch of campers are'nt we! :rolleyes:
     
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    Thank you for disproving that which you adhere to! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    And to think, you might believe "all things are possible with God", but your "holy ghost" is incapable, still.

    Something's amiss friend, and it's your FALSE doctrine.
     
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    Guaranteed not. You have not yet begun to feel my ire than to start with the boatload of pentecostal false doctrine like the pseudo/sham tongues going on today.

    Remember, I do not believe that one can be a Baptist and believe in tongues for today by defintion of the Baptist distinctives. If we get folks promoting the tongues heresy, I will work to shut them down.

    Serious as a heart attack. You have NO WORRY that the BB might ever go "pentecostal". I am SORRY that such a thought would even cross someone's mind, and apologize that we haven't been more dilligent in condemning such.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, righ,&lt;Doc, like you're busy doing that now,uh-hum! Like you're still letting them post in a "Baptist ONLY" section of the BB.

    From what I have observed, the BB is already degrading to pentecostalism.
     
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    I disagree. From what I observe, the board remains firmly Baptist.
     
  20. Dr. Bob

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    We still allow POR to post and attack people. Maybe we HAVE gone downhill. I'll see about suspending him . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
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