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Are Christians in Trouble Spiritually?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Jason1, Apr 18, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Have you read where Paul lambasted peter to trying to have Gentiles still luive as being under Jewish Law, as now we have freedom in Christ!
     
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    Jewish law is TOTALLY different that the torah of YHVH. Once you realize that you will understand Paul.
     
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    Paul stated that those of us now in Christ are freed from the Law period as a way to either get or kept saved, correct?
     
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    Incorrect. You are freed from "oral laws" and from the penalty of written law. Read on:

    Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”

    Joh_5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. -- (His Word is torah)
     
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    We are not under the Torah now, but under jesus!
     
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    Jesus is torah (aka the word). So if you are under Jesus you are under torah. How does that not make sense?
     
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    Jesus is God, the Torah is not...
     
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    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim.

    The Word is Elohim. The Word became Flesh. Jesus is the Word. The Word is Torah (proceeds from the Father).
     
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    Jesus is not the Torah, He is the author of it, but is not it!
     
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    So He authored it and you throw His book in the trash and rebell against it?
     
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    I am under the New Covenant with God, why do you wish to stay under the old One that cannot save?
     
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    I don't. The New Covenant has His same laws as the terms.

    Mat 19:17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”
     
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    The ONLY way to get right with God is thru the Cross of Christ, and that is by receiving jesus thru faith period!
     
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    Agreed. How do you continue is rightness (righteousness)?
     
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    By submitting to the Holy Spirit constantly and staying abiding in Christ!
     
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    What does that even mean? Anything concrete or is it all mystical and ethereal?
     
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    Ask paul, as he stated that we need to stay continually filled with the Holy Spirit, as that is the power to live as we ought now as saved!
     
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    Oh, thats nice. You don't even know what it means so you'll trash torah and live by an idea that doesn't even make sense to you.
     
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    Ephesians 5:18, and the Torah is no where in that passage!
     
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    Sure it is:

    Eph 5:21 subjecting yourselves to each other in the fear of Elohim. Footnote: 1Ex. 20:20.

    What do you subject yourselves to? I know, I know...
     
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