Are Judaism and Christianity one Religion

I second that.

 

Paul argues in Romans 4 and 5 "Where there is no law there is no sin".

In 1John 3 we see that "Sin is transgression of the Law" vs 2-4.

The Law against Murder was not codified but still existed so God said to cain that SIN desired to have mastery over him but he must overcome.

Agreed.

Lev 11 says that dead rotting carcasses (even of CLEAN animals) is unclean TO YOU -- "what about other people" ??

It is too much of a stretch to say that Christ died so humans could now eat rats.

That has never been a focus of salvation.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Thanks - I really enjoy it personnally.

Many of the civil and ceremonial laws of Leviticus were not in place prior to Sinai -

however God says of Abraham "He keeps my laws, statutes and commandments".

And then later God says that Israel should do the same "observe My Laws, Statutes and Commandments".

Recall that it is the same person writing Genesis as is writing Leviticus and HIS READERS will have access to BOTH.

Therefore in Gen 6 and 7 he can mention Clean/unclean animals leaving the "definition" of those terms for the reader to find in Lev 11.

God speaks of the sin of murder and hate to Cain in Gen 4 but the reader of Moses had to go to Lev 19:18 to find "Love your Neighbor" idea codefied.

One author - many books - one primary audience since Moses wrote it all.

My argument is that the "Good News" is about our salvation. IF it does not save (because I am Abraham living in the OT) then it is not the SAME "good news" that DOES save (if I am Paul living in the NT for example).

If your claim is that it did not actually save the saints in the OT - then by definition it can not be the same "good news".

Example --

Version 1 - Good News you won a million dollars share it with you family!

Version 2 - Good News someone else will one day win a Million dollars. You get zip.

True -

Specifically it is the covenant that offers
1. Forgiveness
2. Adoption
3. The New Birth
4. Restored Fellowship with God
5. Acceptance with God


Noah "walked with God"
Abraham "walked with God"
Enoch "Walked with God"

Some were even translated to heaven without seeing death.

Not recorded as having happened even once in the NT.

That is 100% correct.

The Old Covenant is "obey and live" -- the covenant of death that still today condemns all mankind.

Cursed is everyone that does not abide perfectly by the Law.

The law itself is not the Gospel - but it is the SAME LAW in BOTH covenants. In the New Covenant that SAME Law is written on the tablets of the human heart - in the OT that SAME Law is merely external - tablets of stone - condemning mankind as law breakers.

In Christ,

Bob

 

If Judaism is the same religion as Christianity - then we expect to find the following in the NT

1. Christians being called a SECT of Judaism
2. Christians calling Gentiles to gather Sabbath after Sabbath to hear the Gospel instead of saying "Hey you guys the Jews just are not going for this - meet with us on Sunday and we will continue the Bible study".

3. Christians would be "hearing Moses in the synagogues every Sabbath".

4. Paul would claim that he has said nothing against the OT commands for Jews - such that Jews should ignore them when they become Christian.

5. When Paul is brought on trial and he disrespects the High Priest - he should submit himself to the scriptures saying "oops - sorry about that for the scripture says you shall honor the leader of your people".

6. Scripture (as in the OT) should be repeatedly referenced as authorotative in the NT (it is written) and "God's Word" etc.

7. Paul would be asked to speak in Synagogues as a well recognized professor - Rabbi - teacher.

8. Jews would target this sect even before the Romans as something that falls under THEIR domain - vs other pagan religions that clearly are not within Judaism.

They use the same bible, worship the same God and according to Christ they teach the SAME Messiah.

In Christ,

Bob

 

No because circumcision is different. We are supposed to become new creatures:


Gal:6:15: For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

and the new creature we are supposed to become is one who keeps Gods commandments:

1Cor:7:19: Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

we are supposed to have genuine living faith does does good works from the motivation of love:

Gal:5:6: For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.


The law is to be written on the heart, no more circumcision.

 

Gentiles who chose to worship the one true God in the OT were not required to be circumcised by the Law of Moses -- it is something later Jews "invented". By attributing to the OT text - the errors of the Jews -- the resulting dichotomy results.

However Christ said in John 3 "precross" that ALL (both Jew and Gentile) had to be born again to be saved. He stated this as bible doctrine known to all honest Bible students pre-cross.

My point is that when you look at what you "expect to find" if the two are really one - that IS what you find. By definition if you then look for what you expect to find if they are "different religions" -- it is totally absent from the text.

The "ALL Scripture is inspired AND to be used for doctrine" statement of Paul in 2Tim 3 is spoken of the OT text!

One Bible, One God - same religion - different sects because one had errors and the other did not.

But those saints held up in Heb 11 as models for the NT saints - were of the ONE TRUE relgion they ARE among "the dead in Christ" referenced in 1Thess 4.

Question for you - in Acts 21 when Paul takes the OT vow and preforms that ceremonial act in the Temple in Jerusalem - is he no longer a Christian?

What about when Paul has Timothy circumcised in Acts 16 -- which religion is Timothy then? Why does Paul do it? What religion will the Jews think that Timothy is??

In Christ,

Bob