Are there any saved catholics?

Daniël David
"1. Of course not. Only Christ saves. However, wrong theology will keep people from being saved."
Can not will.

"6. Catholicism isn't a denomination."
Explain?

 

1. Of which many feel they can.

2. I gave reasons why I believe what I do. You failed (again) to interact with the theological points (if you don't understand it, PM me and I will explain).

3. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

4. I already did. However, due to your lack of theological understanding, you missed it. I can't think for you too.

 

Are there any saved Catholics?

Depends on what they think saves them. If they believe there is salvation in the Church, sacraments, baptism, etc. then no, they are not saved.

IOW's, if they have denied RCC teachings on salvation then they might be saved... but then comes the question, "Will a saved person stay in and support a church that teaches a method of salvation that is leading many to hell?

 

mioque, what are you talking about?

There is only one God, but there are many false gods. Catholics have a different god.

 

Johnv, do you also consider it loving when someone blindly takes a pair of scissors to their own hand repeatedly?

True love demands an actual concern for someone. This purposeful defence of catholic nonsense is not loving at all. You mistake 'graciousness' for loving.

Catholics DO NOT embrace grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone. If a person differs in any of those points, they are not saved. Catholics differ. Catholics are not saved.

 

There has been no promotion of that which you claim. However, do you not allow correction of incorrect information when it appears on this forum? Perhaps you confuse correction of such information with the promotion you're concerned with. Perhaps, if you could identify the specific defense of heresy, that could help the rest of us understand your valid concern, and respond accordingly.

The topic here is whether or not there are any saved Catholics. My response was that the Catholics on this board appear to bear the fruit of being a Christian. If you disagree, feel free to tell us which ones do not bear Christian fruit. It's worthy of discussion in the scope of this topic.

 

"mioque, what are you talking about?
There is only one God, but there are many false gods. Catholics have a different god. "
You claim the existance of false gods, as in real specific supernatural entities that people that have different theological ideas than you per definition worship.
Arrogant&Foolish.
You can't trace Catholicism back to the worship of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz.
Or Islam to some Arabian moon god.
Well you can actually, but you would have to make up most of the connections from whole cloth.
Usually getting your theology wrong is just that.

 

Perhaps, if you could identify the specific defense of heresy, that could help the rest of us understand your valid concern, and respond accordingly.
The topic here is whether or not there are any saved Catholics. My response was that the Catholics on this board appear to bear the fruit of being a Christian. </font>[/QUOTE]No John that is not what you said here is yoru quote from page 3 As for the Catholics on this board, they all bear the fruits of saved persons, and I have no reason to think otherwise.

You see to say "they all bear" is an untruth. To promote all the catholics on this board as loving, peaceful and bearing fruits of salvation is incorrect, this is what I am not happy with.
Murph

 

Five pages and none of you pro-catholics have even dealt with this:

They worship a different Christ.
They preach a different gospel.
They have a different authority.
They believe in faith + works for salvation.
They believe the pope is another mediator.
They exalt Mary to sinless and co-redemptrix.

All I have seen is the superiority of your own experiencial based theology. Classic.

 

Okay. Let's start with your #1. Which Christ do Catholics worship? Specifics please. It is up to you to prove this because you are the one making the premise.


Who is this Christ Catholics worship, if not Jesus Christ?

 

Preach it, LadyEagle!!!!

 

No, they don't. You're 100% wrong.

 

No, they don't. You're 100% wrong. </font>[/QUOTE]That is why they have pronounced an anathema on anyone who believes faith alone, grace alone, Christ alone, right?

Brilliant John, I realize you have a deep need to think they are actually saved, but the entire history of the catholic cult would disagree with you.

 

I find this absolutely amazing though I don't know why.

Here you defend them as though they are Christians. The Scriptures explicitly state that a false view of Christ, means one does not have God, and you don't even know why their view of Christ is deficient. How tragic.

Why don't you do a little study beyond your perception of pious catholics.

 

Precepts, thank you for continuing this stuff about piety over theology. That is so typical.

 

Grain? I'd say more like a BOX of Morton's. LOL. He won't even clarify his #1 premise, LOL.

I thought he was going to have some serious points.

Pass the popcorn, please.