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Are these guys Baptists?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Eladar, Aug 6, 2003.

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  1. Eladar

    Eladar New Member

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    If their goal was unity, then I can see no other course than to simply recognize all forms of baptism. I don't believe many people would join an organization that does not have respect for their beliefs.
     
    #61 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  2. Rev. Joshua

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    I don't think they went so far as to prescribe one form or the other. They simply recognized that believer's baptism was preferable for several reasons. Somewhere I have a footnote that lists the book that discusses it in detail if you're interested.

    Off to bed,

    Joshua
     
    #62 Rev. Joshua, Aug 8, 2003
  3. Eladar

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    I need to go to sleep too. Go night! [​IMG]
     
    #63 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  4. Haruo

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    What two denominations are you referring to? Lake Street and Judson are both, I'm pretty sure, ABC. AWAB is not a denomination, any more than the Dominicans are a Church.

    Haruo
    individual member of both AWAB and Fremont Community Church (which is ABC and is not AWAB)
     
    #64 Haruo, Aug 8, 2003
  5. Eladar

    Eladar New Member

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    Haruo,

    According to Clint, Baptist denominations aren't really denominations anyhow.
    I believe that AWAB fits that definition.
     
    #65 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  6. Eladar

    Eladar New Member

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    I received a reply on my e-mail today. This is some of what he said:
    According to a representative of the ABC, believer's baptism is not required in order to be a Baptist. According to this, Baptists don't even need to require baptism at all.
     
    #66 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  7. dianetavegia

    dianetavegia Guest

    Tuor, you said:
    I looked them up just now and their pages don't even mention the Lord's Supper or baptism at all. Very sad... However, they DID mention being 'affirming, accepting' and a lot of other politically correct wording. Sad.......

    I would wish we could prevent them from using the name Baptist. [​IMG] They are certainly NOT True Baptists.

    Diane
     
    #67 dianetavegia, Aug 8, 2003
  8. Eladar

    Eladar New Member

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    They are if you use Joshua's defintion of baptists which is based on polity.
     
    #68 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  9. Eladar

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    Then why were you wanting to quote him?
     
    #69 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  10. Rev. Joshua

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    LOL,

    My understanding of "baptist" is not drawn from thin air. Leon McBeth, Buddy Shurden, and company all point out that baptists are not united by common doctrinal beliefs.

    Joshua

    P.S. Diane - I define a Christian as a person who believes that Jesus is the Son of God and that He died for our sins and was resurrected. How is your definition different.
     
    #70 Rev. Joshua, Aug 8, 2003
  11. dianetavegia

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    Tuor, I wanted permission to quote him from another thread (because we are not supposed to bring statements from one thread to another without permission or post quotes from another persons personal website) because he answered about his churches affiliations and their beliefs about baptism... and I had already admitted that I did not have any expertise on the 143 or so Baptist groups. His church is affilitated with the same two groups as this pseudo baptist church.

    Diane
     
    #71 dianetavegia, Aug 8, 2003
  12. Rev. Joshua

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    Actually, we're Alliance and UCC. In my experience, believer's baptism is normative within the Alliance; which (sadly) no longer seems to be the case in the ABC.

    Joshua
     
    #72 Rev. Joshua, Aug 8, 2003
  13. Eladar

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    Why do you believe that is sad if in your own congregation a believer's baptism is not a requirement?
     
    #73 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  14. Rev. Joshua

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    Tuor, Because - as a baptist - I believe that believer's baptism is the most faithful expression of the ordinance.

    Joshua
     
    #74 Rev. Joshua, Aug 8, 2003
  15. Eladar

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    So you believe that a believer's baptism is superior to infant baptism?
     
    #75 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  16. Clint Kritzer

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    There is much argument over the semantics of "denomination." For me, personally, "Baptist" is a denomination. The different different types of Baptists as defined by their affiliations or doctrinal statements are "sects." I try to stay consistent on these designations. As I say, however, there is much debate about the definition of these terms.

    If you are referring to the ABC-USA, their website does offer both of these criteria as I posted last night. Please refer to this link and the quote at the top of page 3 of this thread: http://www.abc-usa.org/identity/idstate.html

    [ August 08, 2003, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: Clint Kritzer ]
     
    #76 Clint Kritzer, Aug 8, 2003
  17. Eladar

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    I've sent a follow up e-mail. I'll post the reply if I get one.
     
    #77 Eladar, Aug 8, 2003
  18. Rev. Joshua

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    Yes
     
    #78 Rev. Joshua, Aug 9, 2003
  19. Eladar

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    So you look down upon those who believe in infant baptism.
     
    #79 Eladar, Aug 9, 2003
  20. Rev. Joshua

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    "Look down" isn't the accurate term. I prefer the tradition of the early church over the established tradition of the majority of Christians. They prefer the latter. It's a matter of different perspectives.

    Joshua
     
    #80 Rev. Joshua, Aug 9, 2003
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