Are we paying attention to Scripture in our political statements?

Reread your own statement. How is a sinful man going to keep anything "clean before the world, when the person analyzing sin in another person is also a sinner?

Maybe it is better to say that church members are disciplined for blatant sin that is clearly against what the Lord teaches and the church covenant. You cannot clean up anything, and only have a "clean" standing because of the righteousness of Christ.

 

You like to throw names around. A better definition of disingenuous and utterly laughable is your theology.

 

Why many thanks to your judgment on "my theology." Nice to know that you who do not know me can make such a frivolous remark concerning my personal faith. God is my judge so you might want to take that issue up with him on my behalf. Meanwhile I'll do the same for you. raying:

 

You do that right after you have cleaned up some sinners.

 

Never said I could.
You need to settle down, I'm a bit concerned that you are going to blow a gasket. Take 10 deep breaths and say after me, "It will all be over tomorrow." Then we can revel in the fact that the Republic that God has given does work. I will still stand as I have regardless as to who my President is. Presidents come and Presidents go but my Savior never changes. Christ Jesus will forever reign in my heart even while this nation goes by the way of all others that have forsaken Him and killed the innocent.

 

Nobody seems to want to declare thir attitude toward abortion on the poll I initiated. You just want to rant about "libs" and not express your stand. Why is that?

 

Your abortion poll isn't worth the bytes it took to read it, and anybody who's been here for a while knows better than to enter a debate with you.

 

An excellant article on why Christians are supposed to judge is written here:
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Judgement Article Refernced Here
Essentially it says Christians are to judge: Scriptual judgement begins first with ones self before proceeding to others.... but judgement is necessary for the health and healing of the body of Christ just like the natural body is dependant on the bodys' defense system to recognize invasion, or bad cells or injury and make the appropriate response for the healing and health and life of the whole.

There are two types of judgement each requiring a different approach. One is based on discipline within the body or membership of Christ exacted when a child of God is in deliberate rebellion and refuses to repent and be restored..... and results in removing them from fellowship or ceasing to include them in fellowship so that the buffeting of their conscience may be completed and discomforted as he receives the consequence of his choices...... until such time as remorse springs up and he becomes repentant and desires to renew fellowship in obediance to Christ.

And there is a different type of judgement for the sinner who shows no reverence or regard for God. The latter is won through loving kindness which pursues him for the salvation of his soul: This cannot be equated exactly as 'fellowship', since one still judges sin for what it is and takes no part in it.... but recognizes that the sinner is held captive in his sin and isolating him from the gospel and love of Christ is no way to present the word or instruct him of his need. The first is a case of disobediance with knowledge; the latter is a case of ignorance either of the law and/or recognition of God and such person is held captive to sin in which his awareness of the consequences has not yet come.

Please, my summary doesnot do the articles justice so I recommend posters to read them as the discussion is brief but well developed for its brevity. More is alluded to than what either of them say, but it is a balanced presentation on the right to judge.

 

If Obama is elected he is going to drive the coal companies into bankruptcy. Since coal is used to produce 60-70% of our electric power you Christians who ignore Obama's vicious pro abortion stance can warm yourselves knowing you have put the first black man in the White House.

As far as I am concerned any Christian who supports the murder of unborn children needs to examine themselves to see if they are in the faith. Anyone who supports the democrat ticket is supporting abortion. Obama has stated that one of his first acts will be to sign a Freedom of Choice Act which would over ride the ban on Partial Birth Abortions. Anyone who would try to prevent the passage of a law that requires medical treatment of a baby alive after an abortion is worse than an infidel. Obama did. As I have written elsewhere on this Forum even the pagans who wrote the Hippocratic oath realized that killing unborn children was wrong.

 

AMEN!!


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Well, welcome back, Jack! I think you've made an excellent point. And, after reading almost all of this thread, the other members have reinforced your point mightily. It has been a great exercise in tunnel vision, verbal abuse, sarcasm used as a club, and the presumption of knowledge. Another thread has been twisted into a rant about abortion. Tomorrow will define the direction of this forum for the next four years. If Obama wins, we will have four years of wailing and gnashing of teeth over the continuance of abortions, Supreme Court appointments, among other things. If McCain wins, we will have four years of frustrated hopes because not enough will have been done to end abortions. I need a vacation! :BangHead:

Tim Reynolds

 

There is Paul and again there is Paul. Whatever Scripture states must be considered in context. So consider the following admonition of Paul concerning the man living in adultery with his step mother:

1 Corinthians 5:3-7

3. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
4. In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5. To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6. Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

 

Yes, scripture has highlighted some specific instances where ecclesiastical discipline and separation were required. Did you have a point for us to consider?

 

Paul frequently judged sin, Jesus judged sin, and yet osme would have us over look murdering babies, of approving of stabbing a baby in the head with scissors. As if this activity is godly.

 

Agreed. Christians are to judge those within the church. Sins that we should lovingly judge within the church should also include things like hate, greed, gossip, slander, etc including those aspects of Ephesians 4 that are not practiced. Sometimes that requires discipline or separation, sometimes that doesn't. I particularly like Paul's statement on this further in 1 Cor 5.

Shame on those Christians who approve of abortion of overlooking abortion or stating that it is godly. I haven't seen anyone around these parts say any of these things.

 

Supporting pro slaughter candidates like Obama is the equivilent.