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Are we to judge?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by 12strings, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. 12strings

    12strings Active Member

    Feb 10, 2004
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    Matthew 7:1-5 - “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye...

    v. 24 - Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

    Taken together, these verses, and the whole counsel of Jesus, what can we deduce?

    1. You will be judged in the same manner that you judge others.

    2. It is necessary to look at one's own flaws and sins first before trying to point out another's.

    3. Jesus does NOT forbid all judging! We are apparently SUPPOSED to help others see their sin. given the rest of chapter 7, Jesus's counsel in v.1 cannot be take to exclude all judging, for he tells us to judge in verse 24. He elsewhere says you will "know them by their fruit." We are told to speak to one who sins against us, to restore one who is caught in a sin, to separate from church members who persist in unrepentant immorality. Of course, this should be done in love, with the ultimate goal of honoring God and pointing sinners toward Christ. But to exclude all judging is not biblical.
  2. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Mar 19, 2012
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    isn't jesus referring here to when we judge as Hypercrites, when we can have disguest at others sin areas/problems, yet choose to stay ignorant of our own?
  3. Oldtimer

    Oldtimer New Member

    Dec 6, 2011
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    IMO, many only read the first verse and fail to read action to be taken in the last half of verse 5.

    All 3 points.... :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
  4. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

    Jan 16, 2006
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    I completely agree. On point number three, as has been pointed out in other threads, the purpose of judgeing is restoration and repentence. It is not a tool to be used to aid gossipers in their godless hobby.
  5. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

    Jun 12, 2012
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    Yes we are to absolutely judge but righteously. Verses 2-5 show that there is a CORRECT method of judging. Thus the FIRST and THEN.

    24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment. John 7:24

    Luke 7:43
    43 Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.” And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.”

    15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For o“who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Cor. 2:15-16
  6. annsni

    annsni Administrator

    May 30, 2006
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