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Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by church mouse guy, May 8, 2014.

  1. church mouse guy

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    It is strange that a liberal organization would even bother to file against the feds over this issue. I think that liberals have done the math and the cost effectiveness of producing electricity this way is some negative number, so they are talking about some sort of Silent Spring from wind power apparently. The lawsuit is probably just a public relations stunt to get more donations. All of this green stuff is dependent upon federal subsidies forever. But I did not know until today that the number of birds killed by turbines is negligible compared to other man-made causes.

    Michael Reagan says:

    Also, Duke Energy, my electric company, according to Michael Reagan, had to pay $1,000,000 for killing eagles accidently. Yet wind turbines are getting a 30-year permit that Duke Energy is not being offered.
     
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    Regardless, all things considered, it's inevitable that we will go the nuclear route. It's going to happen. The benefits far outweigh the risks.

    There's a whoooole lot of 'myths' that have been promulgated by the anti-nuke folks over the past few decades that have now been debunked.

    Nuclear is good. Mankind needs it. It's a gift from God. Let's use it.
     
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    Your post skirts the issue of potential risk in favor of forced compliance.....here I must part company with you. It is critical that we weigh each issue prior to implementation.
     
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    You lost me.

    Necessity is the driving force here, not forced compliance. It is becoming BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to even the most staunch opponents, with the technology we now have nuclear is the way to go. Lots of funding now going into Gen 4 research.
     
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    Pray tell....who is funding this?
     
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    Thanks.....I am a skeptic. I have worked with some of the best design engineers (in NYC) who specialize in this & Ive been hearing about Gen 4 reactors for about 20 years now. The latest is now that most of these designs are generally not expected to be available for commercial construction before 2030. so now we tack on another 16 years. Larry, do you even know how far behind we are in the USA in updating our electrical grid? That grid is ancient & nobody has a lick of concern to rebuild it.

    And most of what we still are operating on in telecommunications is copper when fiber-optics is far superior.....so I remain skeptical. Ya aint gonna get anything accomplished with BO cept for windmills & solar panels (anybody who knows anything about that market/technology knows its a joke)
     
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    Wrong. Bill Gates is expecting to begin getting a return on his money by 2022.

    Again, necessity will be the driving force to updating it.

    Fiber optics will not conduct high pressure electron flow. But who knows how close we are to developing an economically viable superconductor that will revolutionize everything.

    Not so:

    Obama Budget Increases Funding for Energy Research and Nuclear Power
     
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    Yea.....OK!


    Fiber is used as electrical backbone in commercial & industrial buildings. I'm not suggesting its use for end to end.....but I have seen the plans for superconductors. Honestly its a question of economics more than technology. The tech is there if we want it & open the checkbook. Where is Bill Gates in that initiative? Isn't that his business (kinda)?
     
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    That was written before Fukishima, wasn't it ?
     
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    Good point.....perhaps we should revisit that little fiasco.
     
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    Man, such negativity. Watch the documentary 'Pandora's Promise'. Fukushima is just a glitch, it will never stop this new nuclear age that is dawning upon us, if for no other reason everyone in the know realizes that catastrophe could not have happened if it were one of the new passive safe (failsafe) Gen 4 designs. IOW, in the big picture, Fukushima will serve to FURTHER the cause of the new Gen 4s, not hinder it.
     
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    OK?!? Why are you getting excited by this? Nothing coming close to implementation will ever happen under Obama.
     
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    Sheesh, I'm so excited I probably won't sleep over eight hours worrying about it tonight.

    "Nothing coming close to implementation will ever happen under Obama."

    He's funding research for it, he is actually helping to develop the new Gen 4 technology. It's a little early for implementation right now anyway, but not by much. There's already a functioning prototype that demonstrates it's failsafe characteristics in the documentary 'Pandora's Promise'. Obama's not trying to stop this steam roller, he's actually helping it along.
     
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    Yea well......that steam roller (LOL) may just take another 30 years.:laugh:

    When I see the grid updated we can talk some more. I'm not saying it wont happen, just don't believe your ambitious timetable.
     
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    It's not my time table, the need is from the push to reduce dependency on fossil fuels. Nuclear power will do that satisfactorily , solar and wind is not feasible for that.
     
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    Where's Don Quixote when we need him?
     
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