Are ya'll being nice to ....

We're not cops. What are we supposed to do, Rev? This is the Department of Commerce, not the INS. And, yes, all residents count for purposes of representation.

$15/ hour here.

My appointment is until June 22. It could be extended if they need us longer, or it could be shorter if we finish sooner.

 

BP, (the last I knew) doesn't pay people to go around acting as if they serve a legitimate role in government.

So, what does happen when someone refuses to answer all the questions in your unconstitutional "questionaire" do you call the thugs and goons in yourself or do you just follow orders and make note of the time and address and leave that dirty little deed up to your "superiors".

Just curious. :smilewinkgrin:

 

You've got issues, dude.

In a refusal, we don't argue with the resident. We just file a D-225 against them and then turn it in and they will follow up. We can still get the information through other means. For example, I had a refusal in an apartment complex on Saturday. This female person opened the door and then slammed it shut after I introduced myself. (I guess her parents didn't teach her any manners. That's not the way you should act when you meet new people.) As I went to another apartment, she came outside with a cordless phone and told me she was going to call all of her friends and tell them not to answer the door. I just told her "Okay, have fun" and continued on. I'm going to finish enumerating this apartment complex that evening, to catch all of the people who weren't there the last two times I came. (I can make three personal visits. I do one on a weekday during the day, one on a weekday evening, and one on Saturday.) So, for that female person's apartment, I filed a D-225 against her, and I'm not going back to her apartment. For those who refuse and those who were not there all three times, I have an appointment with the apartment manager tomorrow and she's going to give me the information for those. She doesn't have all of the things on the form, but it's enough to get them counted.

In other cases, we will interview the neighbors. In one case, I used a mailman to get information on a vacant house. If a house is for sale and appears vacant and there is a sign out front, I will call the real estate agent to confirm that it's vacant. The basic procedure is the same for both refusals and cases where a resident can not be contacted except we don't D-225 houses if it's just a matter of inability to contact a resident.. However, in some extreme refusal cases, I was told supervisors will go back with law enforcement.

 

Don't attempt to obfuscate this issue by changing the terms. As a follower of Christ you are bound to follow the laws and decrees of your God placed leaders and however they choose to execute their offices, insofar as it does not compromise your Christian principles.

In this country the federal government (in this case) is bound by their Constitutional obligation to take a Census. The Constitution thus also gives a great bit of latitude to those elected officials to prescribe laws to ensure the effective carrying out of these means.

Now you (and others) have a good issue about the extra questions, yet through our Constitutionally prescribed due process system they have been challenged, reviewed, and decided that they are indeed within the keeping of the charge given by the Constitution. The case law is simple and straightforward here, for once.

Thus the laws passed to ensure the effective carrying out of the Constitution requirement of a decennial census. Our country is not governed solely by the Constitution, rather the Constitution sets the boundaries within which existing laws must act. This is a law from your God placed rulers...it has been reproved through our system...it is law.

Obviously you have not had a lot of time to study Constitutional law. That is sad because as mentioned above the Constitution, even under the most strict interpretation, is a device to frame continued governance. The Census and its few questions are within those bounds.

Now as for misinterpretting Scripture, show me where the Constitution work itself into the New Testament command to submit to those who rule you? Titus 3:1; Romans 13.

Caesar (to use a biblical analogy) has asked for your obedience in this regard, you are commanded to submit to his request and give it to him.

Well the due process system set up by the Constitution to challenge laws passed by Congress in accordance with their obligations according to the Constitution has said these questions are legal and binding for the citizenry. Your objection is moot.

Show me the case law that makes this illegal. Show the wording the Constitution and the US Code that limits the Census to only numbers and explicitly forbids any other action.

Your obligation is thus to obey your God appointed rulers, fill out the form, send it in, and then (if you choose) vote for someone else next term.

 

And just why are you so passionate about the census of all things?

 

Where in the world did you ever come up with the wild idea we have "rulers" in America? You set out to lecture me on civics yet you can't even understand that the law is the higher authority here? Yes it's higher than government it's higher than our public servants who swore an oath to uphold and protect it, not their hold on power or their buddies business interests.

Our "Caezar" is the law and that law, the supreme law is the constitution my friend. Those people who wear the 1,000 dollar suits in Washington DC are our servants. Neither God nor His son Jesus Christ nor even Paul ever commanded any masters to obey their servants. That's just silly. And not only that it's the same bogus twisting of scripture and propaganda used by Goebells and Hitler to get the German citizens to obey unthinkingly and unquestioningly.

I suppose you'd follow orders from Hitler if he claimed to be your "leader" wouldn't you? You'd have too! God said you have to.

The census is for enumeration. Look that word up. It doesn't mean the forced gathering of private information on citizens so the giant corporations can better target consumers or so our unconstitutional socialist government can better distrubute the money it steals.

Yes our government is unconstitutional. Read the constitution. It guarantees each state a REPUBLICAN form of government. Not a socialist form of government. Not a fascist form of government but a REPUBLICAN form of government.

Get a grip and face reality you're in the employ of tyrants don't make a big deal or excuses about it. You should be be proud you work for the global socialists and their undemocratic corporate fascist cronies.

It is the neo-american way after all. Go along to get along. Forget the law of the land and be a good citizen all you gotta do is follow the orders of der leader. In case you're still kinda fuzzy on how our republic actually works or used to work as the case may be. We have a system of governent where the people are the government and we elect representitives to represent us. Not rule over us.

Our public servants disobey God when they disreguard the law or act above and beyond the powers granted to them by that law. Why aren't you out lecturing them about their disobedience? Yeah that's right their's is the hand that feeds you. I get it. They are your rulers because you made them so not God and not the founders of this nation so go obey them and all their lawlessnes and be proud you're a neo-american.

So anyway the answer is no. I'm not being nice to the census takers because they don't know what it is they are actually doing and who they are actually doing it for. And I don't like being lectured by people who don't know what they are doing or even what they're talking about. So, scuuuuuze meeeee!

 

He was doing the short count.

 

I was concerned about the Census beforehand. Now that I have been through the training and understand it better I have no problem with it.

The main thing we need is a head count, pure and simple. Be they legal or illegal we need a head count. No one will be arrested if they answer the census as it is completely confidential for 72 years... only the statistics are released.

People really need to participate for the Congressional districts. Not only for those now, but Puerto Rico will be voting soon on whether or not to become a state. If they do then other states will lose seats in the House because of it. Districts that have a lot of people who do not participate will suffer the loss or representation.

All information asked for in the Census is voluntary. We ask if the residence is the primary or a secondary/vacation home and how many live there. We ask if the home is owned free and clear, mortgaged, rented, or belongs to someone else who lets you live there. We ask for the names of the people but do not have to have them. We also ask for the relation between the people in the household and their sex. We ask the age as of April 1, 2010 (Census Day) and birth date. We ask if any are of Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin, and then we ask what race you consider each person in the household. We also ask if anyone lives elsewhere for any reason (college dorms, child custody, and such). We double check that no one was forgotten. We ask for a phone number so the Census Bureau can spot check for quality and to make sure we do our job correctly. Finally, we have to mark the address as occupied, vacant, burned out, unable to locate, or whatever.

All we have to have is the head count. Ages would be a nice plus so that they know how many are of voting age. Other than that it doesn't matter a whole lot. It is not a huge deal, but it is important enough that people should help us get it done.

Since I have started second shift I only get to go out on the weekend.

 

But of course it's more than just a head count.

It's what's your race?

What's your race?

What's your race?

 

For the purpose of counting the people, not for the purpose of asking intrusive questions about things the government has no business knowing about.

I told them how many people live in our house. That's all I'm obligated to tell them.

 

And what business is that of yours?

What business is that of yours?

What business is that of yours?

And what business is that of yours?

And what business is that of yours? What if I don't want the government to know where I live? What if I don't think it's any of your business when and where I choose to go?

I find it very amusing that you people are so up in arms about border criminals in Arizona being asked to show proof of residency, but then you have no problem pestering American citizens with such questions.

 

Why stop there?

Why not ask us about our medical history? History of mental illness? What kind of toilets are in your house? Exactly what you do at your job, and what you're paid for it? Your costs of rent & utilities? Do you have emotional difficulties?

Yep...the census just might ask you "those" questions, too. They're also "required."

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/ACS-1(info)(2010) Stateside English_web.pdf

So you see...some of us do object, because we know the government can go from zero to offensively intrusive in about five minutes.

 

I would consider questions of race intrusive...not in and of themselves, but because of what our government chooses to do with that information.

 

And what business of that is the government's?

And what business is that of the government's?

And why does the government need to know who is a minority? Either they're Americans or they're not.

And what business is that of the government's?

And again, why should I have to explain my comings and goings to the government?

For example, we have a couple of vacation homes. What business is it of the government where they are, when I choose to go there and how long I choose to stay?

 

It is your right to not answer any questions that you so choose, pure and simple. Some people do feel that the questions are too intrusive but that's not a problem. The questions are designed to help the government get valid information for many different areas of inquiry that MK has already touched upon. None of the answers are ever shared within the government; only the statistics generated by the answers are given out for 72 years, after which the information becomes public record and can be viewed by anyone.

As of yesterday I am no longer working for the census. They decided that all Census workers have to put in a minimum of 20 hours a week, but with me working second shift there was no way I could do it without working on Sunday. And so I tendered my resignation and turned in my stuff. I will miss the extra money but I now have my days off back.