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Are you a Calvinist?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by BBNewton, Mar 22, 2004.

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  1. BBNewton

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    "And what is the heresy of Arminianism but the addition of something to the work of the Redeemer? Every heresy, if brought to the touchstone, will discover itself here. I have my own private opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified, unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else....

    ...The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again." —C. H. Spurgeon


    Spurgeon bodly taught and defended Calvinism because he believed that God saves. There are a ton of theological systems out there, but (for discussion purposes) they can all be simplified to two propositions:

    1. God saves. (Calvinism)

    2. God would like to save. (Pelagianism, Arminianism, Open Theism, Romanism, etc.)


    I ask you to please think about this one for a minute. Free will theology teaches that God would like to save someone, but the person must do something (yield, believe, repent, pray a prayer, be sincere, etc.) before God can save them. If you ask God in prayer to save someone, and you have faith that God can effectually save that person through his own sovereign power, then you are a Calvinist.
     
    #1 BBNewton, Mar 22, 2004
  2. Pastor Larry

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    I am not posting much in here, but I would caution against believing that Calvinism does not believe in the necessity of faith. Calvinism does believe that man must believe in order to be saved. Calvinism teaches that election secures that belief through God's sovereign power.
     
    #2 Pastor Larry, Mar 22, 2004
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    That is what calvinism teaches.
     
    #3 Scofield, Mar 22, 2004
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    Brother BBNewton,
    I am in agreement with Spurgeon. I would also say I know of no instance in which Spurgeon failed to preach the necessity of repentance and faith.

    May God Bless
    Bro. Dallas Eaton [​IMG]
     
    #4 Frogman, Mar 23, 2004
  5. micahaaron

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    Does not God ordained us to do works? Ephesians 2:10. Even works like Bro. Eaton has mentioned, repentance and confession.
     
    #5 micahaaron, Mar 23, 2004
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    Good news preached, Holy Spirit convicts and tugs at a man's heart, man responds in action and with words spoken, man confessions and repents and ask the Lord to come into his life, to change his life, and so forth.

    If a man works, it is a response to the good news preached and the Holy Spirit wooing and conviction prior.
     
    #6 micahaaron, Mar 23, 2004
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    Later in the man's life, he looks back to his work, not for glory sake, but a stone like the Israelites did in crossing the Jordon, by putting the stone on the altar with the 12 tribes of Isreal in rememberance of what God has done.

    Or

    Like circumsion for Abraham knowing his work is a visual remeberance he is in covenant with God, that he is justified by faith alone.
     
    #7 micahaaron, Mar 23, 2004
  8. BBNewton

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    The post was poorly worded. I do believe in repentance and faith, but like Spurgeon, I believe repentance and faith are the products of regeneration and not the cause.
     
    #8 BBNewton, Mar 23, 2004
  9. Frogman

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    Dear Brother, After posting my reply, I reread it later and found my own post is worded wrongly. I did not mean for it to be addressed toward you nor anyone in particular in the thread.

    But, it was already too late to 'edit' what I had already written.

    I just want to say, I am in agreement with you and I understand your post is not removing the need for repentance and faith in any way.

    Bro. Dallas
     
    #9 Frogman, Mar 23, 2004
  10. Phillip

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    [​IMG]

    Amen, preach on!

    It is ridiculous to think that another person can have the faith required for salvation for the person who needs to be saved.

    Sure, you can pray for someone's salvation, but they have to believe on the Lord Jesus themselves. Jesus can "tenderize" their heart, open up new opportunities.
     
    #10 Phillip, Mar 29, 2004
  11. LaymansTermsPlease

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    John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
     
    #11 LaymansTermsPlease, Mar 29, 2004
  12. micahaaron

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    Layman,
    Are we not talking about two different points of the same coin?

    The language of James and Paul might sound contradictary about faith and works, but are they not speaking of two different points of the same coin?
     
    #12 micahaaron, Mar 29, 2004
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