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JamesL

yes..everyone is raised from bodily physical death

it is speaking ...only of believers

Paul was speaking of the whole man.....nothing is saying he is focused on the "inner"man. In 2 cor he mentions the inner man as already having eternal life while the first body is still perishing.

wrath...does not equal physical death.....you add this gnostic thought here.
The wrath spoken of is second death.

we are not saved from physical death James...this is wrong. You will physically die....you are already perishing physically right now.

Aperson is saved from the practice of sin...

You are going into error at this point. Adam died at the fall spiritually with physical death to follow.

Most error on BB and in the professing church happens right here. Once this is understood most of the error would go away....but some perpetuate the error.
Your post is already leaning toward that error.

No...not at all...it is very clearly two groups of people...those who remain dead in Adam and go into second death......then those who are declared to be righteous IN Christ.

This is your own novelty that does not come from the text at all....Winman would be proud of this kind of reasoning. You know that is not a good sign.

Physical resurrection happened before the cross...God can do what He will...this is part of your false idea.

This is total fiction...who says anything about unbelievers getting a sinless body at all??? Unbelievers will never stop sinning even in hell. What makes them stop???

No...not at all:wavey:

 

Just paid for the sakes of those who would get saved by Him though, correct? Not paid towards all?

 

How about the truth that ALL 100 are doomed to destruction, and that the Captain Himself throws the lasoo rope around 50 of them, saveing out hose whom he chose to?

 

So you believe God literally kidnaps persons against their will? He lassos them and forcibly drags them away?

Nice doctrine you've got there.

 

No, rather that the Lord sees all of us in the boat of rebellion, and that He intervenes and causes some of us to "jump ship", over to his side!

 

The lost can NEVER repay Him! A finite being in hell for an eternity does not pay an infinite penalty. That is why Christ was the only one who could make payment.

 

webdog

That is why Jesus explained the worm shall not die, or the fire will never be quenched

That is why they stay there still sinning and still paying the penalty forever:thumbsup:

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yes...and as there is no second chance it becomes clear that THE COVENANT DEATH PAID FOR ALL THE SINS OF THE ELECT ALONE.

 

So in your justice system God never sees justice from the crimes committed against Him...and is ok with that? That is like you stealing a million dollars from my bank account and me agreeing it's just for you to repay me one penny a year for the rest of your life.

 

webdog

In the biblical system That they remain in the realm of death and separated from the love of God is a severe enough penalty. That there are degrees of torment and punishment eternally inflicted on them will prove to be an exact punishment for the crime....they never can fully repay, they never have life.:wavey:

 

They taste eternal death...eternal seperation from God. They pay for their sins eternally.

Yes it does pay the penalty. God's wrath is appeased as no sin will go unpunished.

Christ paid the debt His sheep owed. He took their curse, their condemnation, their shame, their sin, and bore it in His flesh on the cross. He was an actual propitiation for them. He was/is their/our surety. :thumbsup:

 

Do you hold to the lost being forever destroyed after their GWT day?

And ternal seperation from God, with eternal consequences means the payment is made...

 

No. Man has a beginning, God doesn't. Man can never repay God for an eternity in Hell. He'll isn't a pawn shop or an eternal community service. It's punishment for disbelief...not a payment for anything.

 

Wrong, it is impossible to pay that penalty! Don't you get it...Christ paid the penalty for sin. If His death only appeased the wrath against the alleged "sheep", all creation but them are still under Gods wrath and will never be redeemed. We know from the Bible that is not the case, all creation groans in anticipation of redemption.

 

Yes Christ's death only satisfied the wrath of God for the elect alone.

I am not quite following your line of thought.

Because of the sin of mankind the universe is under the curse of God -- the deterioration of all things. The universe or 'creation' was subjected to corruption and futility but it will lead to that day when it will be redeemed from all the consequences of sin.

 

All creation would be subjected to the curse still if universal atonement weren't true. Christ's death reversed the curse on all creation.

 

So you're a universalist. Rob Bell, Cleveland version.

 

Nope, you are just a question bigger...

 

Sin is paid for in either the Sinbearer or the sinner. Christ paid the sheep's sin debt in full, taking God's wrath in their/our stead. The wrath of God will be poured out upon them when the goats are resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.

 

The sin bearer CAN NOT pay! God is eternally UNPAID in your system.

 

Yes, when Jesus said, "It is finished".

Where the "worm dies not and the fire is not quenched". Where the sinner is in torment for eternity. So if the sinner's sin is paid for in Hell, and Hell is eternal, when is the sin fully paid for? One second into the lake of fire? One day? One thousand years? When?