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As a Christian, I defended Obamacare. But I really support single-payer.

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Sep 18, 2017.

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    Do you actually believe our Progressive government will not include infanticide and sterilization as part of a single-payer system? Of course, it will! Maybe not at first (as a compromise in order to get the requisite votes), but not too long after it becomes law. After all, infanticide is a sacrament of the Progressive Left. Once the Left starts crying that women are being denied "essential reproductive services" it will be covered.
     
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    I believe what you're saying is correct.

    A single-payer system may be passed without payments for abortion or sterilizations, etc. But 10 years later we would hear, "Why are old, white Christian men getting to decide what women do with their own bodies?" or "Why are we forcing women to have children they don't even want?" or something similar. And if you have a Democrat controlled House and Senate you know what happens.

    ETA: Earlier I said that no one expects government funded abortion and sterilization "will ever pass in the USA", but I should have added some kind of qualifier.
     
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    Socialism must be faithfully implemented to placate the extreme left and Bernie Sanders, who is owed the White House because of the way that Hillary cheated him. Bernie is the Democrat Party now and it is now a socialist party. If America faithfully implements socialism, we will be the first country in the world to make it work but there has to be death panels for abortion and to stop squandering precious resources on old white people, as has been pointed out in the last post. We have too many deplorable cave dwellers, as Gov. Brown has noted, especially in flyover country, the embarrassing so-called heartland. It will be a revolution. It will turn out the lights all over the world (saving electricity and ending climate change).
     
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    An extremely unlikely one based on past history wouldn't you say?
     
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    So after saying those things, how can you support single payer? Your taxes will have to go through the roof to fund a single payer system.
     
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    No, they won't.
     
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    There is no constititional basis for a Fedetal government provided single payer health care system. None whatsoever! But hey, who really cares about that pesky constitution nowadays anyway.
     
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    There is no constititional basis for a Federal government provided single payer health care system. None whatsoever! But hey, who really cares about that pesky constitution nowadays anyway.
     
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    Most of those things we have that you cited are provided by local governments, not the Federal entity. If you want a single payer heath system, petition your local or state government for it. Such a thing is simply not a Federal responsibility.
     
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    And that free healthcare at local hospitals was forced on everyone by Federal law, a law.that the Feds had no business passing at all. As usual, the Federal goverent is the root cause of another expensive problem.
     
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    Yes they will. It's the middle class.that will have to fork over the extra money, just like we have to pay the freight on Obamacare. The rich can afford their own healthcare and the poor get subsidies provided by the middle class working fools like myself.
     
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    SOCIALISM IS FOR THE PEOPLE, NOT THE SOCIALISTS. Bernie and the other elites will never stand in line for healthcare or have it rationed or any procedure denied them in any way, shape, manner, or form.
     
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    Supposing there was a constitutional amendment passed guaranteeing universal health care?

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    Supposing there was a constitutional amendment passed guaranteeing universal health care?

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    Yep, that would be the way to do it.
     
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    You are assuming you know exactly what firm of single payer will pass.
     
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    Would you be willing to double your federal tax bill in order to help the needy?
     
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    It does not matter what form of single payer would pass, it will cost a bunch which is why the states of Vermont and California recently shelved their plans for this.

    The fact is, fraud and waste are part and parcel of any Federally run program. Medical care needs to be left to the experts, not amature government bureaucrats.
     
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    If my federal taxes doubled and I could get the same level of health insurance coverage I have now I would be saving thousands of dollars per year in insurance premiums.

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    Ridiculous. It might cease to be a hegemon, but it would not destroy the nation to cut back on Trump's extravagant requests.
     
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