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Are you advocating for the rights to have abortion, to be terrorists, and to doing massive media smearing?

 

And on the point of Gitmo, FDR held military trials for Nazi spies captured on American soil and executed some of them. We have been very generous with the Islamic terrorists being held in Gitmo. Gitmo is probably the nicest prison in Cuba by far--in fact, you would have to be high up in the Cuban communist party and married to a Castro offspring to live as well as a Gitmo inmate with running water and plenty of soap and all.

 

This so-called story is posted at DailyKos, which deals largely in rumors.

CNN's Van Jones (and special advisor to Barrack Obama) - "The whole Russia thing is a big nothing-burger. There is nothing you can do." -

 

I have no problem with holding trials for Nazi spies during WWII or executing them if found guilty. The prisoners in Gitmo have never even been charged with a crime let alone had a trial. They were not captured on American soil. They have been tortured endlessly. That's not my idea of a m"nice prison." Try it. Only you'll like it.

 

Simply putting a misused tag on something proves nothing. Name-calling is not a valid form of argument.

 

Putting half of the population into one ill-defined group is discrimination and does not mean anything. It does turn out that Orwell was anti-abortion. In addition, the Holocaust and the possibility of global and final nuclear war are as terrible as abortion.

 

I agree. Having thought about this however I believe that certain forms of coercion should be made acceptable. When I was in the service a project (now declassified) called MK-Ultra was going on where psychotropic drugs were under experimental study to get people to "tell-all".

True in the beginning there were bad results but now these truth serum drugs are quite effective.
IMO This practice should not be banned . Painless. Send the combatant to nirvana to meet allah and give a report. Done, no memory of it. We get what we want. Combatant is still alive.

HankD

 

And how have these prisoners of war been tortured endlessly? That is just not true. They are guilty of crimes against humanity because Islam is guilty of crimes against humanity and the combatants at Gitmo were terrorists jihadist for Islam. America has allowed them to live and provided them with a standard of living on Cuba that only high-ranking Cuban communists enjoy in that country which was once the richest in Latin America but now is the second poorest in the world, richer than only North Korea. If they are POWs, is it usual to try POWs? Really? And if they are spies because they wear no military uniform, then the trial should be a military trial and should be conducted at Gitmo. Or do you want to follow the FDR example and hold a secret military trial in DC?

 

The treatment of prisoners of war is dictated by the Geneva Convention (three of them with updates until Aug. 1949). These were agreed to by all countries and were used in the treatment and trials of the Nazi prisoners tried at Nuremberg. The most recent version can be found here:

https://cil.nus.edu.sg/rp/il/pdf/19... to the Treatment of Prisoners of War-pdf.pdf

There s a lot of information in this document but for example it states that:

Article 13
Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the
Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its
custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In
particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific
experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of
the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Article 103
Judicial investigations relating to a prisoner of war shall be conducted as rapidly as
circumstances permit and so that his trial shall take place as soon as possible. A prisoner of war
shall not be confined while awaiting trial unless a member of the armed forces of the Detaining
Power would be so confined if he were accused of a similar offence, or if it is essential to do so
in the interests of national security. In no circumstances shall this confinement exceed three
months.

In my mind, neither one of these two articles were complied with in the case of the alleged terrorists imprisoned at Gitmo.

 

And are the jihadist terrorists signatories to the Geneva conventions? Has the combat ended? Do you want to try them as spies? Do you want to try them by military court in Gitmo and execute them there?

 

Obama had 8 years to correct it.

 

I agree about the Geneva Conventions though technically they do not apply in this case. But I do agree.

However FTW can you document your assertions that there has been no compliance with these two articles at Gitmo.

If you already have please point me to the post.

Thanks
HankD

 

I think that by stooping to the practices of an obviously renegade, outlaw group we demean the once-revered image of America as a land of freedom and justice. Can you imagine the outrage that would occur if Americans were thrown into prison without any charges and tortured for years without even knowing why they were there. One prisoner at Gitmo was a 14 year old boy who seemingly happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If we resort to this kind of treatment of prisoners we should expect it to come back to us. No, the combat hasn't ended. President Bush declared it to be a never-ending war. I want to see them tried as prisoners of war which is what the Geneva Convention mandated. You say "execute them there." execute them for what? They haven't been charged with anything and you presume they're guilty of something punishable by death.

 

I was mistaken but did anyone here know anything about what happened to these prisoners? Why not? Anyway, this is the best explanation I've been able to find answering that question:

The Guantanamo Trials

As of August 2014, only Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, Abd al Hadi al Iraqi, and the five men accused of plotting the 9/11 attacks actually face formal charges. Human Rights Watch has sent observers to all of the military commission hearings, often writing about the proceedings in various publications. For information about the proceedings against each detainee, including those previously charged, click the individual detainee’s name below.

Look at the number of cases in which prisoners were held for years and then had their charges (?) withdrawn, their conviction vacated or were simply released.

 

There were efforts made to change the process (see The Guantanamo Trials) but yes. Many people including myself were not pleased that he did not make good on his promise to close Gitmo.

 

Well, when there is a threat (real or perceived) America puts aside all rules of "human decency" in order to survive - this all nations will do.

e.g. Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Almost a quarter million people, men, women and children were disintegrated over a period of three days, Hundreds of thousands were wounded, some with radiation burns and sickness. Decades of suffering for many.

We survived.We did what we had to do.
Gitmo is/was a reflection of the will to survive in the perception of many.

HankD

 

We have a great heritage and history of fighting wars to win. Research how our greatest general ever, W.T. Sherman, ended the problem of the CSA Cavalry mining roads in Georgia.

 

We must keep Gitmo open. Great place to stash terrorists and enemy combatants. You bring them on US soil, they then have Constitutional rights.

 

Not since 1945, we don't.

 

Those were "Conflicts" and "police actions."
We won Iraq and Afghanistan, we just gave it back to different terrorists than we took them from.