AV1611 Translator Sidenotes 2: Matthew

Sorry! I will try to sit still now and pay attention.

Are you sure you're not playinge thoughe?

 

Ed, you're dilly-dallying with the "Olde English" there and fail to understand; the phrase is "an hymn'e'". If it were the psalm, it would read "a pslam" The word that begins with "h" is considered a "vowel sound" and requires the artivle "an" instead of "a". Many today will even omit the "ha" sound in the use of many words, one imparticular; "U"mble, when we usually say "humble". You know, "an hungered", "an hymn".

The difference between a psalm and a hymn is the psalms were always sung with the accompanyment of musical instruments: the psaltry, the viol and the harp along with the timbrel. Hymns are usually referred to as particular worship songs sung w/o the use of instruments.

I could only suppose when they sung they had no musical instryments other than their vocal chords with them; "hymn" is correct.

Now, which is it? Are you "playing" with something in minde or are you playing withe Russell55e in the sande boxe againe?

We old "rock-n-rollers" (converted to old hymns now since we got genuinely saved) mighten referest to thou as havinge "toyse in the atticke"

 

I think you may have hit it, Doc, the KJB translators were very familiar with Jewish custom. Just look at these concerning "pslams, hymns, and spiritual songs":

5568 qalmov psalmos psal-mos’

from 5567; TDNT-8:489,1225; n m

AV-psalm 5, Psalm 2; 7

1) a striking, twanging
1a) of a striking the chords of a musical instrument
1b) of a pious song, a psalm

5215 umnov humnos hoom’-nos

apparently from a simpler (obsolete) form of hudeo (to celebrate, probably akin to 103, cf 5567); TDNT-8:489,1225; n m

AV-hymn 2; 2

1) a song in tithe praise of gods, heroes, conquerors
2) a sacred song, hymn

4152 pneumatikov pneumatikos pnyoo-mat-ik-os’

from 4151; TDNT-6:332,876; adj

AV-spiritual 26; 26

1) relating to the human spirit, or rational soul, as part of the man which is akin to God and serves as his instrument or organ
1a) that which possesses the nature of the rational soul
2) belonging to a spirit, or a being higher than man but inferior to God
3) belonging to the Divine Spirit
3a) of God the Holy Spirit
3b) one who is filled with and governed by the Spirit of God
4) pertaining to the wind or breath; windy, exposed to the wind, blowing (In conjunction with "songs" if the Greek "enthusaist" will allow, KJB translators did.)

The we have this: (making melody)

5567 qallw psallo psal’-lo

probably strengthened from psao (to rub or touch the surface, cf 5597); TDNT-8:489,1225; v

AV-sing 3, sing psalms 1, make melody 1; 5

1) to pluck off, pull out
2) to cause to vibrate by touching, to twang
2a) to touch or strike the chord, to twang the strings of a musical instrument so that they gently vibrate
2b) to play on a stringed instrument, to play, the harp, etc.
2c) to sing to the music of the harp
2d) in the NT to sing a hymn, to celebrate the praises of God in song

Though it's NOT my intention, and I do love acapello, this would change the view of the Primitive baptist on their objection to musical instruments used for worship.

Nearly all the Pslams are "to the musician". Hymns are sung "acapello", the " Church Hymnal" is full of Hymns and Pslams and Spiritual songs for the purpose of making melody in our hearts. And Yes , I know it's a Co G hymnal, but it has many of the "baptist" songs in it.

 

Learn the parable of how the Roman soldiers used the palm of the hand to smack prisoners in the face, Ed. Also how the palm of the hand is used to "box the ears".

I'm sorry the side notes confuse you so easily, but the palm of the hand also is called a "rod' in the same sense the football strategy of "stiff-arming" the defensive player is used to thwart a tackle. The palm of the hand makes the contact, but the arm is stiff.

I'm a plumber, and sometimes I use my palm as a hammer on some things so I won't demolish them with a "rod"/ hammer. Also of note, if the Roman soldiers had beat Jesus with "rods" literally, though the power of God would have still kept Jesus on the path to Calvary, the smiting with rods and the scourging combined surely would have killed any mortal man.

But I think you should check into the Roman use of the palm of the hand, this would justify the sidenote being a sidenote and NOT the actual Scripture.

 

Amen, Brother Ed!

(When you want an "amen", can't you just call in Thankful?)

 

Now learn the reason why "Jeremie" is used as the refrence to the "Prophets" according to Jewish tradition. I think you know this already and are just poking and prodding at the ignorance of the simple who pass by. Jewish traditions are all over the Jewish Scripture, and also found in our Bible. Aren't we glad?!? Yes! If it weren't for the Jews, we wouldn't have a Bible, so it's best to learn more of Jewish tradition to understand the Bible as God would have His people to understand it. Them Jews is funny ain't they? Much like 'ed, uh, I mean "eds"

 

Keep at it, Ed. It's fun to see a KJVO squirm.