Baldwin brother now Christian

Well, well, I'm glad for him. Thats really something. Even if he isn't my favorite Baldwin brother(Alec is), I hope he will have some influence on his brothers.

 

Not funny

 

I think it is down right hilarious. People who believe that inspite of their sinful nature, they can find Jesus. We can never find Jesus, Jesus finds us. Read the Bible it is quite clear that Jesus finds the sheep not the sheep finding Jesus.

 

Yes the Shepard does find the sheep. However to the sheep it often seems that he found the Shepard. Just because man says he found Jesus or asked Jesus into his heart, does not mean that Jesus didn't do the work. It just man's limited understanding of our Lord.

Bill

 

If anything, you should have found it sad. "Downright halarious" is not very Christlike. Yes, the Holy Spirit convicts, and brings us to Him, we have nothing to do with our salvation, except rejecting it. I will fight this harder than most Baptists here...but this is not a Christ-like attitude, of which I have come to expect from you.

 

I am not ridiculing one person specifically, I am ridiculing the idea that a person can "find/decide for Jesus".

Maybe its time you guys change your vocabulary and then more of your people will understand the concept. We Lutherans, along with every other group, do not have the corner on the truth of conversion, but at least our language reflects it being God's work rather than man's work.

 

Be that as it may, we should still correct those who use decision theology language, because it takes the focus away from Christ and places it on the person.

 

Actually, you are the brother who, in the immediate context, needs correcting (see the title you gave the thread). So it would not serve any purpose for me to go to a different section of the bulletin board.

[ October 30, 2002, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Chemnitz ]

 

Methinks this fellow has been reading too-much RC Sproul! Maybe he oughta read the Bible...

(Rev 3:20-21 NIV) Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and OPENS the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. {21} To him who OVERCOMES, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.

 

Personally, I think brother Alec will be the 'toughest nut to crack'.

As someone mentioned above, it's too bad that one 'decides for Jesus Christ', and we ridicule him.

 

As far as "God's work" goes, one must say, without reservation, 'SOLA GRATIA'. But...there is something WE must do...

It's sortof like farming. God provides the soil, the seed, the rain, the sun, and of course, the farmer. BUT, the farmer must plow, plant, cultivate, harvest and store. Both God and man together produce the crop. So it is for salvation...without God's grace, we are doomed. But we are not doomed, because God's grace is made available to all. The 'light of the Son' shines on us all...but we must choose to bask in it, or not. We must seek God's grace, and then 'work out our salvation in fear and trembling.' We must take seriously the words of St James,

(James 2:19-22 NRSV) You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe--and shudder. {20} Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith apart from works is barren? {21} Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? {22} You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works.

 

I thnk instead of arguing over wording, or showing off what we precieve(or some do) a bigger better spirituality we should be happy someone in Hollywood was saved, and speaks out about it, instead of hiding it like so many in hollywood do.I mean look at the postings in this topic, and all the while according to scripture, God is rejoicing, we nit pick. Real christ-like in here isn't it. Considering some of the rolls and movies Stephen's made in the past I hope he makes better Christ honoring choices in rolls, and begins to make a difference in the industry he works in. I'm happy for him, even if it looks like to him at the monent that he fpound Jesus, instead of Jesus coming to him, he'll learn in the future the difference, same as all of us did.

 

Thank you smoke_eater for telling us this good news, I for one appreciate it, I was very happy to read it.

 

I'd be very interested in any more info, links, etc, you can provide about Patricia Heaton in this context. I knew she has been vocal in the past supporting Feminism (has this changed?), but I had no idea about her views on Faith or prolife.

Edit: Never mind. A simple web search revealed everything I wanted to know.

[ October 30, 2002, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: BrianT ]