Bapticostal

Here is a LINK to an article concerning revival. Revival starts in the heart, thus revival can start with anyone, whether they be pentecostals, baptists, or lutherans for that matter.

Have you been praying for revival for Australia?? Maybe you are the one to bring it.

Just my two cents worth on the subject.

God Bless!!!

Adam </font>[/QUOTE]Adam, I have no difficulty with what you are saying. I know there are Christians in every denomination (some obviously more than others). My complaint resided and resides strictly with internal dynamics of the local denomination that we are in.

Today we are seeing people who would rather change their church to a different belief, than change churches. That is my only point. When doctrines are espoused that we do not embrace in our denomination, then I will say something about it.

There is no doubt that God can even use a cult to bring about a revival, but that does not mean that we bring the non-doctrinal beliefs into our own house. That is MY only point.

Just the word "Bapticostal" causes intestinal discomfort for me.
God bless you!
Phillip

 

I have visited MANY Pentacostal (sic) churches. My pastor is an ex-Pentecostal and he can clue you in on the "insides", along with several friends of mine who ARE Pentecostal BIG SHOTS who tell an interesting story.

Wild and wooley is not the problem, although maybe I should not have used those particular complaints. The complaints are doctrinal issues such as lack of eternal salvation and Holy Spirit Baptism as shown by speaking in tongues.

These doctrines do NOT belong in a Baptist church, but watch, they are coming, whether we like it or not.

Rock music is NOT the problem. Maybe I should not have even mentioned it, but it is so often used by Pentecostalism to bring up the "emotion" level that people often mistake for the Holy Spirit. I know all about the rock music, I own a contemporary Christian Radio Station and I can also tell you that just because the young people (I'm 47, so I'm very OLD.) like it does not make it right.

You go to a Christian Rock concert and you tell me those kids are worshipping God....then you haven't been to many of the HEAVY Christian Rock concerts. They are nothing more than secular rock and roll that has the name "Christian" attached to it as a marketing scheme to tell parents (such as yourself?) that it is okay for their kids to go.

We're not talking Amy Grant here, we're talking about ROCK and METAL. I have been involved with radio stations (mostly secular) since I was in high-school and I can tell you one thing for certain, Christian ROCK today is motivated by one thing and it AIN'T God. It is the god of the record producers called MONEY and CD SALES!

Yes, you are right, the young people are touched by it, right in the pocket-books. I've seen it, I've been in it and I know how it works. Christian music scene today is more secular and cut-throat than the 1970's top 40 we used to play.

No joke the Pentacostals (sic) (are you sure you were one?) are far from perfect. They preach different doctrines. Contemporary praise and Worship is not the issue either. I did audio for 7 years for a big First Baptist Church that has a full orchestra, praise teams, television broadcasts, etc. I never said there was anything wrong with that.

My point is, maybe Pentecostals are not perfect, either way, why should Baptist churches bring in their incorrect doctrines?

I may be narrow minded, but so was Paul. Have you read his Epistles and noticed how he jumped on churches bringing in doctrines from outside?

I am NOT complaining about what Pentecostals want to do in their churches, personally, I do care, because I love the people, BUT, don't EVER tell me that I cannot speak up about bringing false doctrine into my Baptist Church. Or that I cannot speak about a Baptist church that accepts false doctrines.

Why don't we go ahead and invite the Mormon's to our Sunday Morning worship to speak, after all they talk about Jesus, too? Let's accept the good that they say and ignore that which we don't believe and let God judge us for bringing hearesy into our church.

I am a little surprised at the baptistboard for accepting what is called "Bapticostal" in the Baptist only area, maybe I should start a "Baptorman" and discuss the "golden plates" in the Translations area?

People had better wake up and realize that accepting any doctrine that has the name "Jesus" attached to it is NOT what the Bible tells us to do?

[ November 06, 2004, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]

 

Brother Phillip,

I was not trying to take a blow at you or make an insult. I'm sorry, but I was just trying to make a statement and ask a question at the same time. All those washed in the blood are God's children. Truly washed. The LDS and the Pentacostal churches are completely different. Pentacostals are by doctrine Christian while LDS's are absolutely not.

Yes, I am younger (25) but I'm not stupid. I know that some of the Pentacostal doctrine is out of this world. I used to be licensed in the Church of God. I came to the Baptist tradition because I feel it is the most in take with the Word of God. The congregation I attended when with the Church of God was not pentacostal in nature though. When I saw the rest of the denomination I ran...fast...

I am not a liberal in any way. I'm sure you would find that you and I share the same fundamentals and moral standards. However, some people (Baptists or other) consider their way the only way to see things in the whole protestant faith. I was told by someone Jesus had a seat reserved for me in Hell because I have a praise and worship CD. People just kill me sometimes.

Anyway, no insult meant. I truly wish you well. I believe I do see what you are saying though. However, I thought you meant that being a non-baptist makes one liberal. Truly sorry.

In Christ,

Brooks

 

....and I do agree that alot of people become mistaken when they see faith through emotionalism. God can move your emotions, but I don't believe one should base their whole faith on that.

 

Mormon beliefs have never been part of the Baptist tradition, and are contrary to it. Some pentecostal beliefs have been part of the Baptist tradition, from the very early days.

 

Glorifying God--in the flesh.

"God is a Spirit; they that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth."

"That which is flesh is flesh; that which is spirit is spirit. Ye must be born again."

The pattern of worship has not changed. One cannot worship God in one's flesh--regardless of how "right" it seems.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

James - stop twisting the criteria....none of us here have advocated the carnal extremes of charismania...if you cannot interact with what we are actually saying, perhaps you should find another discussion to post your meaningless and irrelevant messages.

 

1Corinthians 6:20
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

I agree. I know a pastor who pastors an Assemblies of God church. His doctrine is not what most AOG folks believe and much more conservative than most SBC folks. So we cannot lump them all together. It seems as though you cannot judge a church by the denominatiuonal label today. In every denomination there are conservatives and liberals. I know of a RCC church where the pastor gives an invitation at the end of each sermon. While I know of an SBC church that mixes with the Mormons.

 

Perhaps this is another area where the US and UK are different because in the UK there are many charismatic Baptist churches. Indeed the majority of evangelical churches generally are charismatic.

 

I prefer the term 'charismatic Baptist'; as TUC said, we have many such churches here. We don't use the term 'Bapticostal', I think partly because the charismatic movement that began here in the 1960s and is still going today affected nearly all denominations (including resulting in the formation of the Restorationist-house church movement) and therefore we tend to say 'charismatic [name of denomination eg: Anglican, Baptist, evangelical etc] church', and also because I'm not sure that all charismatics would wish to be associated with specifically Pentecostal doctrines.

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

The thing that gets me is different people view different things as being "pentacostal". For example, some people believe that having contemporary worship services makes one pentacostal.

 

Indeed. Or sticking one or even two hands in the air during the worship. I've heard one Christian I know say that 'one hand up is evangelical, two is charismatic'!

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

Entertainment of the flesh,

Is God entertained by our flesh?

We must be entertaining others or ourselves.

Such is not worship of God in Spirit and in Truth.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

Pentacostals, though our brothers and sisters in Christ I believe walk a thin line in some cases. I've known a kid that was saved one Sunday and the next claimed to have "powers" to cast demons. He would often go to the alter and think he was casting demons out. He didn't know how to have a relationship with God but he supposedly had "powers". Good grief. I've never seen a non-pentacostal do something like that. Please note, I'm not trying to bash anyone, just telling you what I've seen.

I have no problem with someone lifting their hands or something. But seizure type activity and screaming, etc. I don't see that as Biblical worship. It draws all attention to the person. Just my two cents.