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Featured Baptist Association Disfellowships Racist Church, Calls It to Repent

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  1. Jerome

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    Historic action in Georgia hailed by 2018 SBC vice presidential candidate A.B. Vines of California:

    Christian Index

    "Raleigh White Baptist Church was founded and joined the Mallary Baptist Association in 1943. That 75-year partnership came to an end on April 3...the Association’s Executive Committee voted unanimously to remove the church from its membership roll....The action also included returning to Raleigh White all of its contributions through this year."

    "More than 2,000 miles away in San Diego, CA, pastor A.B. Vines....was watching a live streaming of the gathering, praying for the historic vote that would stand for righteousness. 'As far as I know this is the first time the Southern Baptist Convention has ever disfellowshipped a church for racism. We have preached about it, have talked about it, passed resolutions about it but this is the first time we have actually taken action about it,' he noted."

    Bishop A. B. Vines, 2018 candidate for first vice president of the SBC
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    Pastor Vines and Pastor Cal were about 3 blocks from me in San Diego. Brother Vines is quite a guy. Dresses funny but can preach up a storm. The church was originally called Bancroft Baptist Church and only had about 40 members when they called him. They now run around 1800 over several locations. Changed their name to New Seasons Church in 2005.
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    Does he preach like either Tony Evens, or a EV Hill?
     
  4. Jerome

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    Jakes teach the heresy of Modulism, hope that he does not preach kite him in that!
     
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    Try to keep up. Jakes has been a Trinitarian for over 6 years.
     
  7. Yeshua1

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    Good to hear that, when did he officially changed his views?
     
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    2018 - 6 = 2012.
     
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    while I do not condone racism, this action is contrary to the way the SBC is intended to be governed. Opens up the proverbial can of worms. If they are going to throw out racist churches, they need to kick out 3/4th of our association. I could tell you some stories......
     
  10. rlvaughn

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    This was stated in January 2012
    T.D. Jakes Embraces Doctrine of the Trinity, Moves Away from 'Oneness' View

    It is fair to point out that some have questioned whether Jakes is sincerely a Trinitiarian.
    Seven Thoughts on the Elephant Room and T.D. Jakes

    I suppose folks can look at his church's belief statement and decide what they think (it is the same statement they had before 2012):
    "There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

    That may be fine, but then again, the United Pentecostal Church says much the same thing:
    "There is one God, who has revealed Himself as our Father, in His Son Jesus Christ, and as the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ is God manifested in flesh."
     
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    It was the local Association - not the SBC
     
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    Well aware. The local association is a part of The SBC.
     
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    Not really -
    From the SBC "About" page: The Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) has grown to be a network of more than fifty thousand cooperating churches - key word cooperating. Even though the local association has withdrawn fellowship, they can still be in the State and/or National Fellowship. In fact the church in question, could even affiliate with another association
     
  14. Yeshua1

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    Are they calling manifestation equal to being 3 persons, as that language still seems foggy at best!
     
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    One oddity I find in this story, is that it seems to be fraught with racism on the back end, but not on the front end. In other words, if this church was so racist, it seems surprising that they would have invited the New Seasons Church to use their building in the first place.
     
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    I really don't know. But if a church changes from the oneness doctrine to Trinitarianism I'd say changing the doctrinal statement to be more specific -- that is, something you couldn't have already agreed to as oneness -- would be a good way to clarify your stance on the issue.
     
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    Especially since TD Jakes Himself seems to have a hard time being able to articulate just what he views the trinity as meaning!
     
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    Along with most pastors.
     
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    This church has now been excluded from the Southern Baptist Convention altogether.

    Georgia Baptist church expelled from Southern Baptist Convention over racial discrimination charges
     
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    Technically, shouldn't one pastor have confronted the Pastor of the Raleigh White Baptist Church one on one, in private as the first step. Then if the Pastor/church would not repent, the second step should have been for several leaders from the local association to confront the Pastor/church. The third step should have been to bring the matter before the entire SBC to publicly condemn and expel them if they still refuse correction.

    I don't think allowing Committees to handle everything is what God intended. It robs the Church of unity and makes us more Catholic than Congregational.

    [Mat 18:15-17 NASB] 15 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen [to you,] take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
     
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