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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by massdak, Jan 17, 2003.

  1. massdak

    massdak Active Member
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    Oct 27, 2002
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    does anyone know or have a site that briefly outlines the fundamental differences in different baptist denomination? such as what do the primitive baptist believe and what do the free will baptist believe and most other denominations of the baptist sort.
  2. rsr

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    Dec 11, 2001
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    No. Too many of them, too many differences. You can, of course, go to the different sites to get an idea (roughly) of what they believe.
  3. Bro. James Reed

    Bro. James Reed New Member

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    Primitive Baptist

    Primitive Baptist Online

    These are both good sites. Below are the Articles of Faith of my church, Spring Grove Primitive Baptist Church. These are the basic beliefs that all true Primitive Baptists hold to.

    Articles of Faith
    Spring Grove Primitive Baptist Church


    The scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the inspired written word of God. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” They are written to and for the use and benefit of the children of God and are the only rule of faith and practice. In the days of the prophets, God inspired them to write about His holy counsel. In these latter days God has spoken to us by His Son and inspired the Apostles to write about thing which God revealed to them. The translation made under the rule and direction of King James is our Authority.

    II Tim. 3:16-17, Heb. 1:1-2, II Peter 1:20-21, II Samuel 23:2, Eph. 1:1, Romans 15:4.


    The scriptures teach there is only one true and living God, the Father, the Son (Word) and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one, infinite in foreknowledge, wisdom, justice, mercy, love, power and holiness. God is eternal and omnipresent.

    Deut. 4:39, Psalms 139, Daniel 4:35, Mark 12:29, John 1:1; 10:30, I Cor. 8:6, Eph. 4:6,
    I John 5:7, Rev. 1:8.


    In the beginning God created the heaven, the earth and the fullness thereof. He fashioned them according to His will and set the laws of nature. Lastly, God created man in His own image, formed him of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Man in this state was very good but subject to vanity. God called the man Adam and gave him a commandment. Adam was the seminal head of mankind. Adam, and we in him, transgressed the commandment which God had given. Therefore, we were condemned before God and completely unable to deliver ourselves from this condition or even to desire deliverance.

    Gen. 2:7 & 16-17; 3:6 & 12-13; 6:5, I Cor. 15:21-22, Job 14:4, Psalms 51:5, Jer. 17:9, Romans 3:12 & 23; 5:12-19; 8:6-8.


    Eternal salvation is wholly the free gift of God. Before the foundation of the world, God moved by His love, chose those who will live with Him in eternity. He treasured sufficient grace in Christ to perfect their salvation. This choice was without regard to any works or faith on their part.

    II Samuel 23:5, Mark 13:27, John 3:16; 6:37-44; 17:2, Romans 8:28-39, Eph. 1:4-12,
    I Peter 1:2.


    God’s predestination has two aspects. The first is the eternal salvation of the elect, whose destination was determined before the world began. The second is the foreordination of earthly events. Although God does not predestinate all earthly events, He holds ultimate control over them.

    Isaiah 14:24 & 27, Acts 14:14-16, Romans 8:28-33, I Cor. 14:33, Eph. 1:4-11, Titus 1:2.


    The Elect shall be called, quickened into Divine life, sanctified by the Holy Spirit and justified in the sight of God by the righteousness of Christ. They shall be preserved in grace unto eternal glory.

    John 5:25; 10:27-29, Romans 4:25; 8:30-31, II Tim. 1:9, Titus 3:5, I Peter 1:5; 5:10,
    Jude 1:1.


    Our faith in God is a result of His work within us and without it we can not please Him. Our good works are the results of our faith, evidence that we are children of God, justification in the sight of men and these good works obtain the approval of God.

    John 6:44 & 65, Romans 8:7-10, Gal. 5:22-25, Eph. 2:8-10 & 14; 5:9-10, Heb. 11:1-6; 12:2.


    Baptism by immersion and the Lord’s Supper are ordinances of Jesus Christ to the church. Those who believe in Christ are the only qualified candidates for baptism. Only baptized believers are entitled to participate in the Lord’s Supper.

    Matt. 3:13-16; 26:17-18; 28:19, Mark 1:9-11, Acts 2:38; 8:36-39, Romans 6:3-4.


    The washing of the saints’ feet is a duty enjoined by Jesus Christ, and should be done in a church capacity.

    John 13:1-17.


    Only ministers who are called of God, baptized, ordained by a presbytery of our faith, and who maintain gospel order have the authority to administer the ordinances of the church.

    Matt. 9:38, Acts 13:2-3, I Tim. 4:14, Heb. 5:4.


    At the end of time, Christ shall come again. The dead shall be raised and those that are alive shall be changed. He will carry the elect to eternal glory. The non-elect will be eternally destroyed.

    John 5:28-29, Romans 8:11, I Cor. 15:51-57, I Thes. 4:13-17, II Thes. 1:9, Phil. 3:21.

    Hope this helps. God Bless. Bro. James
  4. mark

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  5. Daveth

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  6. Bro. James Reed

    Bro. James Reed New Member

    Sep 18, 2002
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    Daveth, I don't agree with your interpretation of what a Baptist is.

    We are saved by the faith of God in His Son to die for our sins. I tell you, if it was based on my faith, I think I would be greatly lacking.

    Fortunatley, my salvation has nothing to do with my works, but the work of my Lord and Savior on the cross.

    God Bless. Bro. James
  7. atestring

    atestring New Member

    May 3, 2001
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    There are people that have experienced salvation through personal faith in Jesus Christ that do not refer to themselves as a Baptist.
    The term Baptist was a deroratory term for baptized believers. This was in contrast to those who were baptized as an infant and never baptized again as an adult.
    Early Baptist were not necessarily calvinist or armenian and all baptism were not by immerion but were believers baptism.

    I guess you could say that any berliever that was baptized as a believer wheither by immersion or other methods could technically be called a Baptist.
  8. Daveth

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  9. rufus

    rufus New Member

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    Baptist Missionary Association of America (BMA)

    1. GOD

    There is one living and true God, the creator of the universe (Exod. 15:11; Isa. 45:11; Jer. 27:5). He is revealed in the unity of the Godhead as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, who are equal in every divine perfection (Exod. 15:11; Matt.28:19; II Cor. 13:14).

    A. God the Father is the supreme ruler of the universe. He providentially directs the affairs of history according to the purposes of His grace (Gen.1; Ps.19:1; Ps.104; Heb.1:1-3).

    B. God the Son is the Savior of the world. Born of the virgin Mary (Matt.1:18: Luke 1:26-35), He declared His deity among men(John 1:14,18; Matt. 9:6), died on the cross as the only sacrifice for sin (Phil.2:6-11), arose bodily from the grave (Luke 24:6, 7,24-26; I Cor. 15:3-6), and ascended back to the Father (Acts 1:9-11; Mark 16:19). He is at the right hand of the Father, interceding for believers (Rom.8:34; Heb.7:25) until He returns to rapture them from the world (Acts1:11; I Thess.4:16-18).

    C. God the Holy Spirit is the manifest presence of deity. He convicts of sin (John 16:8-11), teaches spiritual truths according to the written Word (John 16:12-15), permanently indwells believers (Acts 5:32; John 14:16,17,20,23), and confers on every believer at conversion the ability to render effective spiritual service (I Peter 4:10, 11).


    A. The Scriptures are God's inerrant revelation, complete in the Old and New Testaments, written by divinely inspired men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (II Tim.3:16; II Peter 1:21). Those men wrote not in words of human wisdom but in words taught by the Holy Spirit (I Cor.2:13).

    B. The Scriptures provide the standard for the believer's faith and practice (II Tim.3:16, 17), reveal the principles by which God will judge all (Heb. 4:12; John 12:48), and express the true basis of Christian fellowship (Gal.1:8. 9; II John 9-11).


    A. The World-God created all things for His own pleasure and glory, as revealed in the biblical account of creation (Gen.1; Rev. 4:11; John 1:2, 3; Col.1:16).

    B. The Angels-God created an innumerable host of spirit beings called angels. Holy angels worship God and execute His will; while fallen angels serve Satan, seeking to hinder God's purposes (Col.1:16: Luke 20:35,36; Matt.22:29,30: Ps.103:20: Jude 6)

    C. Man-God created man in His own image. As the crowning work of creation, every person is of dignity and worth and merits the respect of all other persons (Ps. 8; Gen. 1:27; 2:7; Matt. 10:28-31).


    Satan is a person rather than a personification of evil (John 8:44), and he with his demons opposes all that is true end godly by blinding the world to the gospel (II Cor. 4:3, 4), tempting saints to do evil (Eph. 6:11: I Peter 5:8), and warring against the Son of God (Gen. 3:15; Rev. 20:1-10).


    Although man was created in the image of God (Gen. 1:26: 2:17), he fell through sin and that image was marred (Rom. 5:12: James 3:9). In his unregenerate state, he is void of spiritual life, is under the influence of the devil, and lacks any power to save himself (Eph. 2:1-3: John 1:13). The sin nature has been transmitted to every member of the human race, the man Jesus Christ alone being excepted (Rom. 3:23; I Peter 2:22). Because of the sin nature, man possesses no divine life and is essentially and unchangeably depraved apart from divine grace (Rom. 3:10-19; Jer. 17:9).


    A. The Meaning of Salvation-Salvation is the gracious work of God whereby He delivers undeserving sinners from sin and its results (Matt. 1:21; Eph. 2:8,9). In justification He declares righteous all who put faith in Christ as Savior (Rom. 3:20-22), giving them
    freedom from condemnation, peace with God, and full assurance of future glorification (Rom. 3:24-26).

    B. The Way of Salvation-Salvation is based wholly on the grace of God apart from works (Titus 3:5; Eph. 2:9). Anyone who will exercise repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved (Acts 16:30-32: Luke 24:47; Rom. 10:17).

    C.The Provision of Salvation-Christ died for the sins of the whole world (John 1:29:3:16; I John 2:1, 2). Through His blood, atonement is made without respect of persons (I Tim. 2:4- 6). All sinners can be saved by this gracious provision (Heb. 2:9; John 3:18).


    God's sovereignty and man's freedom are two inseparable factors in the salvation experience (Eph. 2:4-6). The two Bible truths are in no way contradictory, but they are amazingly
    complementary in the great salvation so freely provided. God, in His sovereignty purposed, planned and executed salvation in eternity while man's freedom enables him to make a personal choice in time, either to receive this salvation and be saved, or to reject it and be damned (Eph. 1:9-12; 1:13, 14; John 1:12, 13).


    All believers are set apart unto God (Heb. 10;12-14) at the time of their regeneration (I Cor. 6:11). They should grow in grace (II Peter 1:5-8) by allowing the Holy Spirit to apply God's Word to their lives (I Peter 2:2), conforming them to the principles of divine righteousness (Rom. 12:1. 2; I Thess. 4:3-7) and making them partakers of the holiness of God (II Cor. 7:1, I Peter 1:15, 16).


    All believers are eternally secure in Jesus Christ (John 10:24-30; Rom. 8:35-39). They are born again (John 3:3-5; I John 5:1; I Peter 1:23), made new creatures in Christ (II Cor. 5:17; II Peter 1:4), and indwelt by the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:9; I John 4:4), enabling their perseverance in good works (Eph. 2:10). A special providence watches over them (Rom. 6:28; I Cor. 10:13), and they are kept by the power of God (Phil. 1:6,2:12. 13; I Peter 1:3-5; Heb. 13:5).


    A.The Nature of the Church-A New Testament church is a local congregation (Acts 16:5; I Cor. 4:17) of baptized believere in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:41) who are united by covenant in belief of what God has revealed and in obedience to what He has commanded (Acts 2:41, 42).

    B. The Autonomy of the Church-She acknowledges Jesus as her only Head (Eph. 5:23: Col. 1:18) and the Holy Bible as her only rule of faith and practice (Isa. 8:20; II Tim. 3:16, 17), governing herself by democratic principles (Acts 6:1-6: I Cor. 5:1-5) under the oversight of her pastors (Acts 20:28: Heb. 13:7, 17. 24).

    C.The Perpetuity of the Church- Instituted by Jesus during His personal ministry on earth(Matt.16:16; Mark 3:13-19;John 1:35-51), true churches have continued to the present and will continue until Jesus returns (Matt. 16:18; 28:20).

    D. The Ordinances of the Church-Her two ordinances are baptism and the Lard's Supper. Baptism is the immersion in water of a believer as a confession of his faith in Jesus Christ (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:4) and is prerequisite to church membership and participation in the Lord's Supper (Acts 2:41,42). The Lord's Supper is the sacred sharing of the bread of communion and the cup of blessing by the assembled church (Acts 20:7) as a memorial to the crucified body and
    shed blood of Jesus Christ (Luke 22:19,20; I Cor. 11:23-26). Both ordinances must be administered by the authority of a New Testament church (Matt. 28:18-20; I Cor. 11:23-26).

    E. The Officers of the Church-Pastors and deacons are the permanent officers divinely ordained in a New Testament church (Phil. 1:1). Each church may select men of her choice to fill those offices under the leading of the Holy Spirit (Acts 6:1-6; 20:17,18) according to the divinely given qualifications (I Tim. 3:1-13).

    Pastors (elders, bishops) are authorized to oversee and teach the churches under the Lordship of Jesus Christ (Acts 20:28; Heb 13:7. 17.24.1 Peter 5:1-4). Each church is responsible to follow them as they follow Christ (I Cor. 11:1:1 Thess. 1:6; Heb. 13:17) and to provide a livelihood for them that they might fulfill their ministries (I Tim 5:17,18; Phil. 4:15-18). Pastors are equal in the service of God (Matt. 23:8-12).

    Deacons (ministers, servants) are servants of the churches and assistants to the pastors, particularty in benevolent ministries. Each church may select her own deacons according to her needs, and no church is bound by the act of another church in that selection (Acts 6:1-6).

    F. The Ministry of the Church-Her mission is evangelizing sinners by preaching the gospel (Matt. 26:19: Luke 24:4~7), baptizing those who believe (Acts 2:41; 6:12, 35-38), and maturing them by instruction (Matt. 28:20; Acts 2:42) and discipline (Matt.18:17, 18; I Cor. 5:1-5).

    G. The Fellowship of the Church-She is free to associate with true churches in furthering the faith (II Cor. 11:8; Phil 4:10. 15,16) but is responsible to keep herself from those who hold doctrines or practices contrary to Holy Scripture (Gal. 1:8,9:1 John 2:19). In association with other churches, each church is equal and is the sole judge of the measure and method of her cooperation (Matt.20:25-28). In all matters of polity and practice, the will of each church is final (Matt. 18:18).


    Human government was instituted by God to protect the innocent and punish the guilty. It is separate from the church, though both church and state exercise complementary ministries for the benefit of society (Matt. 22:21).

    Christians should submit to the authority of the government under which they live. obeying all laws which do not contradict the laws of God, respecting officers of government, paying taxes, rendering military service, and praying for the welfare of the nation and its leaders (Rom. 13:1-7; I Peter 2:13, 17: I Tim. 2:1,2). They should vote, hold office, and exercise influence to direct the nation after the principles of Holy Scripture.

    Civil authority is not to interfere in matters of conscience or disturb the institutions of religion (Acts 4:18-20), but it should preserve for every citizen the free exercise of his religious convictions.

    Churches should receive no subsidy from the government, but they should be exempt from taxation on property and money used for the common good through worship, education, or benevolence.


    A. Return-Our risen Lord will return personally in bodily form to receive His redeemed unto Himself. His return is imminent (I Thess. 4:13-17; Rev. 22:20).

    B. Resurrections-After Jesus returns, ail of the dead will be raised bodily, each in his own order: the righteous dead in the resurrection of life' and the wicked deed in the resurrection of damnation' (John 5:24-29; I Cor. 15:20-28).

    C. Judgments- Prior to the eternal state, God will judge everyone to confer rewards or to consign to punishment (Matt. 28:31-46; II Cor. 5:10; Rev. 20:11-15).

    D. Eternal States - Heaven is the eternal home of the redeemed (John 14:1-3) who, in their glorified bodies (I Cor. 15:51-58),will live in the presence of God forever (I Thess. 4:17) in ultimate blessing (Rev. 21, 22).

    Hell is the place of eternal punishment and suffering (Luke 16:19-31) for the devil, his angels (Matt. 25:41), and the unredeemed (Rev. 20:10-15).


    NOTE: The following slalements are not to be binding upon lhe churches already affiliated with this association, or to require adoption by churches petitioning this body for privilege of cooperation, or to be a test of fellowship between brethren or churches. However, they do express the preponderance of opinion among the churches of the Baptist Missionafy Association of America.

    1. We believe in the premillennial return of Christ to earth, after which He shall reign in peace upon the earth for a thousand years (Rev. 20:4-6).

    2. We believe the Scriptures to teach two resurrections: the first of the righteous at Christ's coming; the second of the wicked at the close of the thousand-year reign (I Thess. 4:13-17, Rev. 20:6, 12-15).

    We endorse the New Hampshire Confession of Faith as a representative compendium of what Baptists have historically believed through the centuries. This confession was consulted and provided a pattern and guide for the formulation of these doctrinal statements. As there are several versions and editions, we refer particularly to the edition in J. E. Cobb's Church Manual third edition, published by the Baptist Publications Committee of Texarkana, TX.

    Rufus [​IMG]
  10. Daniel Dunivan

    Daniel Dunivan New Member

    Oct 4, 2002
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    The historical delimiting of baptists from other groups are two-fold: belief in believer's baptism and religious liberty (this last one has been forgotten by most who call themselves baptists today in favor of a quasi-religious Christia/Americanity)