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Baptists and protistants

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by don 3426, Dec 14, 2004.

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  1. don 3426

    don 3426 New Member

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    You want evidence, then here it is. Protistants started fighting the catholic church on thier corruption and hold on society. the catholic church at the time had everything writen in latin (which was a language only known by upper class ppl who were far less compared to the pesants. The pesents did not know latin so they had to rely on the catholic church to interpret the bible, by doing this the catholic church could tell the pesants whatever they wished so protestants like martin luthor stood up aginst this with his 95 thesis.
    Later on came a group called the anabaptists who created a different movment not to try to dislodge from the church but to be baptised as adults and not as infants so they my show their commitment instead of being baptised for their salvation which is wrong. therefore the anabaptist movment was separated from the protestant who protested from the catholic chirch as a whole. Baptists and menonites came from anabaptists while protistants are prebyterians or methodists or lutherns. so you may call baptists protostants but know that you are historacly inacurate in your assumptions and my offend (which you seem to fear of doing to another) a baptist which i warn there are many others who know what i do and im not one of a kind.
     
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  2. don 3426

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    I noticed you stated that scripture should not be the only form of authoraty but the traditions given to us by God are told to us throught the Bible. If there are other traditions you speak of not stated in the Bible what are they? Because the bible is one thing we know will be our guide. And when i say scripture I mean the word of God so Im not saying God isnt the head but the bible can tell you if what you are hearing through God is right and often he speaks through his word. So i realy think we are speaking of the same thing unless there are traditions not in the bible that can be proven that they should be followed without the instruction of the Bible.
     
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  3. John3v36

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    There is more to the evidence than a quick note, so, here is a site you can go to to read up on it.

    <a href="http://www.geocities.com/landmarkbiblebaptist/History/Orchard.html" target="_blank">A Concise History Of The Baptists
    FROM THE TIME OF CHRIST THEIR FOUNDER
    TO THE 18TH CENTURY.</a>

    http://www.geocities.com/landmarkbiblebaptist/History/Orchard.html
     
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  4. Matt Black

    Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    If John's soteriology was all fully-rounded as you imply, how come these passages refer to the catechumens as 'only' knowing the baptism of John and why was it necessary for them to be rebaptised?

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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  5. Matt Black

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    I'm astonished that you of all people, who is on record on these boards as being so opposed to the charismatic movement, can cite the Montanists with any kind of approval; they represent the worst kind of charismatic excesses (female 'prophets' 'prophesying' the end of the world etc) that even I condemn them;
    they were largely resposible for the 'sign gifts'( which up until then were still being exercised as Irenaeus tells us) being extinguished by the Church in over-reaction. They were quite rightly slung out of the church as at least heterodox, if not downright heretics.

    So, if Montanism is one of the 'Baptist' groups you cite with approval, I'm thoroughly unimpressed.

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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  6. Matt Black

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    There is more to the evidence than a quick note, so, here is a site you can go to to read up on it.

    <a href="http://www.geocities.com/landmarkbiblebaptist/History/Orchard.html" target="_blank">A Concise History Of The Baptists
    FROM THE TIME OF CHRIST THEIR FOUNDER
    TO THE 18TH CENTURY.</a>

    http://www.geocities.com/landmarkbiblebaptist/History/Orchard.html     </font>[/QUOTE]I'm afraid I'm even less impressed by the roll-call here: apart from quoting liberally from the ahistorical Mosheim, the list of 'Baptists' include Montanists (again :rolleyes: ), plus the even more heretical Paulicians and Cathars/ Albigenses, who were gnostic dualists. They have about as much similarity to modern Baptists as camels do to lizards. Orchard comes close with the Waldensians and is also right to refer with approval to the Hussites/ Lollards and some, but not all of the Anabaptists (let's not forget the heretical debacle of Munster, eh?), but apart from that it is a pile of ecclesiastical ahistorical revisionism at its worst.

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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    If John's soteriology was all fully-rounded as you imply, how come these passages refer to the catechumens as 'only' knowing the baptism of John and why was it necessary for them to be rebaptised?

    Yours in Christ

    Matt     </font>[/QUOTE]Mumbo-jumbo. John the Baptist knew who Christ was before the both of them were even born. The rest is semantics, which I refuse to argue.

    Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
     
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  8. Matt Black

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    Very important 'mumbo-jumbo' and semantics: if John's teaching was sufficient, why was it insufficient for his followers to be baptised only by him, bearing in mind baptism at that time meant, amongst other things, identifying with the teaching of the person baptising you? And knowing Who Christ was is insufficient likewise - "even the demons know that and tremble". (Not that I'm implying John was a demon, you understand ;) )

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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    Because anyone can get dunked under water. Without repentance, the baptism means nothing. You need the baptism of the Holy Spirit. John the baptist knew this. That's why he told Christ that he wasn't worthy of baptizing him.

    John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

    John knew.

    I must bow out for the weekend, right now. I'll be back Sunday evening. I hope you don't think I'm avoiding you, as we just seem to be getting going. But I'll be back. Have a nice weekend.
     
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  10. Matt Black

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    Ditto. Will be back 9am Monday GMT - that's if Mrs Black doesn't give birth this weekend! Have a good one

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
    #50 Matt Black, Dec 17, 2004
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