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Barack Obama's teachable moment

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Jan 23, 2009.

  1. LeBuick

    LeBuick New Member

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    Which Christian principle declares we shouldn't care for the needy and poor?
     
  2. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    "And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need."

    Yes, voluntary redistribution, which is something I don't think you'll find much opposition to. The problem is the forced redistribution of wealth.
     
  3. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I personally appreciate your concession in that area. :)
     
  4. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    The American people voted, through their representatives, for Social Security and Medicare.
     
  5. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    None. I never said there was such a thing. All I said was the Christian principles should be applied to every part of our lives. Certainly the needy and poor need to be cared for. It's a responsibility of the church and should be something that people should do willingly because they wish to please God.
     
  6. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    What's the point? Am I supposed to like the systems since it was passed through Congress? I'll have to remember this arguement when you complain about the war in Iraq (which, btw, I'm not a fan of) and the Patriot Act (also not a big fan of). I'll just remind you that the American people voted for it, through their representatives! :smilewinkgrin:
     
  7. KenH

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    Just pointing out that your idea of being forced won't hold water since we as citizens voted for the programs to be put in place. I said nothing about having to like them or that you couldn't be politically opposed to them.

    I fully understand where your libertarian economic ideas are coming from. I simply don't agree with them.
     
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  8. matt wade

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    Don't mislead, please. "We as citizens" did not vote for the programs. The programs were voted upon by representatives that we elected. There is a distinction there. Does every politician you voted for vote exactly as you would like? I didn't think so.

    Secondly, SS was instituted in 1935. I certainly didn't vote for the representatives who voted for SS.

    My idea of being forced won't hold water? Please tell me what will happen if I refuse to pay SS tax? Yes...I believe I'm forced. Example. You live in a deed restricted neighborhood. The members of the board decide to put up a new fence. Everyone in the neighborhood has to pay $1,000 for the new fence. You voted for the members of the board and you are being forced to pay the $1,000. Just because you voted for representatives doesn't mean you can't still be forced to do things you don't like.
     
  9. KenH

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    What you see as being forced I see as representative democracy in action.

    We have different political philosophical views and we will agree on very little in this politics forum. But that's okay. I respect you and love you as a brother in Christ. Have a good afternoon. :)
     
  10. matt wade

    matt wade Well-Known Member

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    If we all agreed on everything then this forum wouldn't be nearly as entertaining... :laugh:
     
  11. LadyEagle

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    Case in point: I am forced to pay taxes so our government can fund abortions through Planned Parenthood and overseas once again thanks to our new Prez. I am forced to pay taxes to send aid to countries whose citizens want to literally slit my throat because they hate Christians and Jews. I have no choice in the matter because my employer withholds taxes from me and if I don't file, I will not only be put in jail, but will never get a refund if one is due me.

    Some people choose to be poor. They keep fathering child after child after child and/or keep bearing child after child after child (different fathers) because they have morals of dogs. Some people have lived off of the system in their poverty for generations. Some people choose to be poor because they have addicting habits or mental disorders.

    BTW, you will find statistically that conservative evangelical Christians are the largest voluntary givers to charitable causes in the world. And it isn't forced by the government, it is because they follow Biblical principles to care for the poor and needy. Even our own new President and VP didn't give much to charitable causes until it became politcally expedient. Search Google and you'll see that is true.
     
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