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BASIC FACTS TO KNOW ABOUT VACCINATIONS

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Oct 5, 2005.

  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Well, I wouldn't want to disappoint you and ED by disreguarding your question even though I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with the dangers of vaccines, so here is my answer.

    Do I think the military is trying to take control of the country? I a word...no.
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    You are welcome.
    I thought you might like something beside
    Logical errors like:

    Argumentum ad Hominem (argument against the
    person)

    But maybe you will get used to it.
     
  3. Phillip

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    Poncho, in answer to your statement---no, it has nothing to do with vaccinations except for the fact that most people who buy into conspiracy theories as much as you appear to in your posts seem to hold certain views on things. I was just curious what your view was on that issue.

    So, getting back on subject, do you wish to respond to my comments on pneumonia?
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Random reading from this page:
    //I find your logic of attacking someone elses
    sources while only quoting a blog with footballs
    a bit telling and a little arrogant. //

    Apparently you didn't get the mental vibrations
    indicating that that source was selected at RANDOM.
    If you knew any logic, it might be interesting to
    see you connect a random web site and 'a little arrogant'.

    If you like that, you really really love a 1D6 = 4 reading
    i just rolled [​IMG]
     
  6. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    This of course is only an opinion and not provable by Ed's style of "Argumentum ad Hominem (argument against the person)" or by just claiming they are ridiculous and not true.

    Until you can come up with something other than the "trust me it just ain't so cuz I say so" argument and explain how it is that you arrive at your "more educated conclusions" with actual facts and evidence from these "reasonable sources" you guys keep cliaming exist but seem unwilling to share I can only conclude that you are in this disscusion to promote popular propaganda either knowingly or unknowingly. The last bit I added to give you the benefit of the doubt. [​IMG]
     
  7. poncho

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    Then why not start a thread on the subject? I am willing to discuss such matters and provide documentation from mainstream and governmental sources along with my opinion.

    Actually, yes I do wish to respond. I must say though my response will probably not be posted tonight. I will tell you tonight that I am no stranger to either pneumonia or bronchitis both of which I have suffered from in the past numerous times, that I feel was a result of working conditions that I will be glad to explain in detail...tomorrow. [​IMG]
     
  8. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Random reading from this page:
    //I find your logic of attacking someone elses
    sources while only quoting a blog with footballs
    a bit telling and a little arrogant. //

    Apparently you didn't get the mental vibrations
    indicating that that source was selected at RANDOM.
    If you knew any logic, it might be interesting to
    see you connect a random web site and 'a little arrogant'.

    If you like that, you really really love a 1D6 = 4 reading
    i just rolled [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry Ed but, I gave up the occultic practice of trying to pick up "mental vibrations" long long ago. :cool:
     
  9. prophecynut

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    Most people fail to realize all vaccines carry a list of ingredients that typically increase human disease and death (i.e., morbidity and mortality). These include toxic elements and chemicals such as mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and formalin (used to preserve corpses), MSG, foreign genetic material, and risky proteins from various species of bacteria, viruses, and animals that have been scientifically associated with triggering autoimmune disorders and certain cancers. A growing body of scientific evidence strongly suggests vaccines are largely responsible for increasing cases of autism and other learning disabilities, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS, ALS, rheumatoid arthritis, asthma, hay fever, allergies, chronic draining ear infections, type 1 autoimmune diabetes, and many, many more pandemics. These chronic ailments are said to require long-term medical care for the patients' management causing toxic side effects resulting in America's leading killer--iatrogenic disease. That is, vaccines and other pharmaceutical industry inventions are literally killing or disabling millions with little effort on the part of government officials and their drug industry cohorts to arrest this scourge.

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml
     
  10. Phillip

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    I looked at the first page of "educte-yourself.org" as was not surprised to see that it has a list of subjects that do not surprise me. Everything from Orgonon generators, the new world order, colloidal silver, among many, many more conspiracy theories.

    Why do you and prophecynut take to these stories so easily? Do you think someone has an adgenda that we do not know about? If so, who?
     
  11. Phillip

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    Besides, I can guarantee you that the levels of poisonous materials such as mercury are well within safe limits. The burdeon of proof would be on you. Do you not realize that safety standards set by the FDA are extremely intolerant to the sort of claims you are making? How do I know? I have worked for FDA certified facilities. Safety is their number ONE concern.
     
  12. prophecynut

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    SATAN the God of this world, he lies, kills and destroys through people in his domain.


    Colloidal silver, excellent remedy for sinusitis and periodontal disease and infected burns. I restored the health of a diabetic lady who had sinusitis and periodontal disease. I diluted colloidal silver with sterile water in a empty nasal spray container clearing up her sinusitis. Did the same for her dental problem, her dentist made an appointment to have her teeth pulled 6 weeks after her first appointment. I had her use diluted colloidal silver in tap water as a mouth rise several times a day, after six weeks her dentist was surprised the disease was gone and did not need her teeth pulled.

    He lost hundreds and I spent several dollars healing her teeth. Ain't I smart.
     
  13. Phillip

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    SATAN the God of this world, he lies, kills and destroys through people in his domain.


    Colloidal silver, excellent remedy for sinusitis and periodontal disease and infected burns. I restored the health of a diabetic lady who had sinusitis and periodontal disease. I diluted colloidal silver with sterile water in a empty nasal spray container clearing up her sinusitis. Did the same for her dental problem, her dentist made an appointment to have her teeth pulled 6 weeks after her first appointment. I had her use diluted colloidal silver in tap water as a mouth rise several times a day, after six weeks her dentist was surprised the disease was gone and did not need her teeth pulled.

    He lost hundreds and I spent several dollars healing her teeth. Ain't I smart.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I cannot disagree with your statement about Satan, but you must remember that the Lord protects His domain (in most cases). The problem with conspiracy theories is that MOST are simply not true, so they don't come from the devil or anybody.

    Yes, silver is used in burn ointment simply because of its low impedance to heat. Essentially, it acts like a "heat-sink" and cools the burned area transferring the heat to the air.

    You listed two cases of colloidal silver. First, I ask if you are a licensed physician to be performing medical treatment? Second, I wonder how you can state that a medication works on only two cases--both of which are different. This is about as unscientific as you can get.

    I chew on a popcycle and a headache I have goes away. Did the popcycle do it, or something else. Without clinical studies, you have NOTHING.

    Then the website talks about chemtrails and other such garbage. Believe me when I say the military is not dumping chemicals using the contrails of airplanes. If they were going to dump chemicals in the air, they could be done invisibly.

    Back to vaccine--why in the world would they contain mercury? How do you prove they contain mercury and how do they get around the FDA requirements for heavy metals in medications?

    These listed websites sound (or look) like rehashes of the Art Bell midnight shows. And don't forget when Art Bell said that there was a spaceship hiding in the tail of a comet or the time he had a recording of people in hell........

    Its all for money and entertainment on his part. I was in broadcasting ten years ago and I know what goes on to get audience ratings.
     
  14. prophecynut

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    Phillip

    You are the perfect [personal attack snipped] [​IMG]

    [ October 15, 2005, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
  15. Phillip

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    This may be true, so what. Answer my question: Are you a licensed medical doctor?
     
  16. Gold Dragon

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    The first cases of polio in the US in 26 years happened this September among the Amish in Minnesota. Guess what their position on vaccination is.

    NY Times : 5 Cases of Polio in Amish Group Raise New Fears

    Yes there are risks to vaccination. But there are also risks to non-vaccination.
     
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