Beer Summit

Of course not. Divine inspiration is not synonymous with command from God. But if it is a command from God, v 7-6 commands us to get people drunk: "the Give beer to those who are perishing, wine to those who are in anguish; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more."

 

That's good.

When he opens his mouth, he already makes about the same amount of sense as a drunk.:thumbs:

 

In this modern context one drink ie a full container as in a cup, glass, or can, renders you drunk. The alcohol content is not the same as it was in scripture. If you doubt this drink one and then take a breathalyzer and see if you can drive legally.

 

Depends on the drink. Wine, the most common drink in the days od scripture, contains about 12%, which arises from the fermentation process. Wine today has the same amount of alcohol content as it was in scripture.

The bottom line is that Christians are permitted to consume alcoholic beverages. They are not permitted to get drunk. There's a difference.

Good point. The average adult male can have two glasses of wine and pass a breathalyzer test.

 

Such a fuss over a mug of beer. Tsk tsk.

Sad to see such trouble BREWING. Obama was just trying to HEAD off trouble before it ALES the entire country. People were FOAMING at the mouth over the situation. If he can TAP into what the other two were thinking, it may be resolved prior to going to court and having to DRAFT a complaint. I am glad he HOPS onto a problem before it goes any futher. The only improvement I could have made is to have held the meeting in MALTa.

 

You said "He is a public servant." That means he is the servent of everyone, and not your interpretation of Baptist doctrine or the Bible.

Those who are focusing in on the beer in this situation are totally missing the point of making the Presidency a media circus. I know we do not have royalty in this country, but that office deserves as much respect as any earthly institution. If Obama wanted to help resolve this situation (which is none of his business) he could have done it out of camera range.

I do not drink, and see nothing but trouble in it. However, all some can see is that giant beer bottle in front of their nose, and fail to see anything else going on.

 

Yea it is always good to hop onto a problem you helped create but it is better to admit you helped create it.

 

I assert no such thing. I assert that it is what is says it is. Prov 31 does not claim to be a command from God. It claims to simply be a list of sayings of Lemuel, king of Massa, who leared these sayings from his mother, and it does this in Verse 1.

If you assert that Prov 31 is a command from God, then you must assert that people who are poor and feel miserable should be encouraged to get drunk, as per verse 7: "let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more". Based on that, I should be allowed to go home and get plastered, and it would not be a sin.

 

Good post, and I agree about the beer, as long as it is put in perspective of all the other garbage going on. The whole event had no reason to be covered by the media. If I am arrested tonight, do you think the President is going to invite me to the White House?

Alcohol is nothing but destructive even without the Bible. It breaks up families, causes loss of jobs, kills people on the highways, and takes money away from families.

Biblical life styles are only common sense. They prolong life, and make life more fulfilling. I am not going to get into the Calvin debate here, but it seems what keeps people from going to the Lord for salvation is a fear of missing out on some worldly vice, usually drugs or alcohol.

 

'Cause they're Muslims?


(I agree with you by the way)

 

I'm completely aware of that, and am in agreement with you.

That ignores the verses that came before it, which state very clearly that this chapter is simply a list of sayings. It it by no means a biblical command forbidding people in positions of authority from consuming alcohol. However, vs 3-5 do indeed denote how unwise it is for people in authory to become intoxicated.

I'm not suggesting that at all. I assert that it is what is says it is. Prov 31 does not claim to be a command from God. It claims to simply be a list of sayings of Lemuel, king of Massa, who leared these sayings from his mother, and it does this in Verse 1.

Correct, we are indeed commanded to rightly divide with Word. A rightly divided understanding of Prov 31 is that it is not a list of commands from God, but instead a list of sayings of Lemuel, king of Massa, who leared these sayings from his mother (it says this in Verse 1).

Again, if you assert that Prov 31 is a command from God, then you must assert that people who are poor and feel miserable should be encouraged to get drunk, as per verse 7: "let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more". Based on that, I should be allowed to go home and get plastered, and it would not be a sin.

 

don't care about the beer at all. what I do care about is police doing their jobs called stupid and racist by the president for making a person caught breaking into a house prove their identity and that they actually own the house and aren't just breaking in, all because they're black, what racism this beer summit was.