Belief in Evolutionism debunked by former evolutionist

Then no one should be drawing "conclusions" or giving statement of facts.

Well what ever you do stay away from by blog with your vile language. And your lack of repsonse is certainly not any evidence that your statement is even lucid.

 

Not all evolutional thought is Godless. Theistic evolution does not confuse the creation of either man or beast, and does not confuse man with any beast. It accounts for missing links and fills in time and space left void in scripture.

Always remember that the age line usually followed was supplanted by Bishop Ussher and did not exist in original documents at least as far back as is noted.

Cheers,

Jim

 

You're dodging. You claimed speciation was not observed or observable. I provided specific examples where speciation was observed, at your request. Rather than acknowlege that speciation has been observed, you're now raising the bar to genus instead of species. If that's what you want to do, fine, but you must in teh very least acknowlege the fact that speciation is academic.

In regards to the verse "after their own kind", you're making some presumptions. First, you're making a presumption that "kind" referrs to genus. That's certainly in the realm of possibility, but it's not a scriptural mandate. Second, you presume that "after their own kind" means that a "kind" is firmly fixed and unchangeable. Again, there's nothing in scripture that mandates that. Third, you're presuming that "after their own kind" means "only after their own kind in all cases". That's no necessarily the case.

I shoudl also note that I'm by no means making a case for evolution in regards to scripture. I'm simply noting it is not required to have a hyperliteral view of Gen1 in order to be bible believer.

 

You proved nothing.

And "after their own kind" speaks for it'self. Cats reproduce cats. My pet cat and the lion most likely have a common ancestor. My bet is it was a cat.

And you cannot deny aspects of the bible, and then tell us you are a bible believer. It doesn't work that way. God made Adam out of the dust. There were no monkeys involved.

 

Note post 70

 

Note post 70

 

Not a just statement and not a valued argument.

 

Kind of sounds like the rolling end times theory a lot of people put out huh? When you are lacking the privilage of observation you have to draw conclusions that change as you get better information.

 

I like to see in scripture where God said or "declared there is a boundery" If you properly understood evolution "after their own kind" wouldn't really be an issue. Science hasn't contradicted scripture. Its contradicted your interpretation of scripture.

 

On the contrary. You asked for evidetiary support of speciation. I provided it. That's it.

I'm not in disagreement with you at all there. BTW, the common housecat and lion are dramatically different species, so we're obviously in agreement that speciation is academic.

I haven't once argued or claimes that development from one genus to another has been demonstrated. I have, however, demonstrated that speciation is documented, rebutting the claim that speciation is impossible.

Taking a nonliteralist view of Gen1 is not "denying aspects of the bible".

 

Where is the evidence of evolution taking place today?
If it is true, why don't we see it?

 

I gave it to you.

Oh of course. How convenient.

Secular evolutionists say differently,

 

One word: Time.

Keep in mind. that it takes the solar system approximately 250 million years to make one orbit of the Milky Way Galaxy. According to evolutionist and many many many other scientist the earth made that journey 20 times before man entered the scene. Any biological change in 10,000 years of human civilization considering a time scale of that magnatude would not be noticable.

 

I could care less what secular evolutionist say. They're secular for a reason. What I care about is facts and truth. Just because they don't believe in God doesn't mean everything they say is thrown out the window. As long as they've got good data and information. I'm ok with it. If they want to disbelieve in God thats up to them. But what you really find is that they believe in a "God" of Some sort. Even Arthur C. Clark believed in a god though reasoned it was an alien life form that brought order to the chaotic universe.

 

You gave unsubstantiated stories about plants becoming plants.

I think you are playing word games. Adaptation is not evolution.

Denying scripture isn't denying scripture ?

 

Adaptation is very much evolution and a specific aspect of evolution. Primarily Natural Selection. By the way interpreting an aspect of scritpure differently than you is not denying scipture. Do you believe that Jesus is speaking about eating his flesh in John 6? I mean it seems pretty literal there. If you don't then your deny scripture. Thats the same argument you're attempting use here.

 

Also, the tiger being able to successfully mate with a lion seems to prove the bible true.

 

In order for natural selection to be true, death of some lesser animals would have resulted in the evolution of man. The bible says man brought death into the world, it cannot be the other way around.

Adaptation is not evolution.

 

Speak of biological evolution. Evolution among the animals--half man; half ape. If evolution actually did take place there would be evidence of it today, and evidence of it taking place today. But quite frankly there is none.

 

Depends on what you mean by death. Certainly, Christians acknowledge two forms of death. material and spiritual. God breathed into man and he became a living being. So how is man alive or in what aspect? I think its alive in relation to having an eternal spirit that can commune with God. Also note if there were not death before Adam all animals would have been vegiterians and you would have to conclude plants needed to die which couldn't be because death was "brought by man" a serious contradiction. Biologically there are animals that could not survive by vegitation alone. Insects would have had no population controls etc... There are some serious implications that nothing died before man sinned.