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Featured Ben Carson: U.S. shouldn't elect a Muslim president

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Zaac, Sep 21, 2015.

  1. Zaac

    Zaac Well-Known Member

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    You know I was gonna ask the question when the guy said what he did about Obama being a Muslim at Trump's get together, "So what if he is?"

    Is the GOP stance now that only people of certain faiths can be President? Has the entire party gone mad?
     
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    Zaac, c'mon. There's 16 candidates in the GOP race and 1 has said a Muslim should not be President. One. And Ben Carson hardly represents the official stance of the RNC. Let's wait and see what the others say.
     
  3. Zaac

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    Oh, I'm waiting. Just like I waited to see what they were gonna say after the guy said what he said at the Trump affair. :laugh:

    Gosh, I've said in the past that if you don't follow Jesus, then I'm not voting for ya.

    But this is Islamophobia.
     
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    So, you would not vote for a Muslim?
     
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    I wouldn't vote for a Muslim,Mormon,Buddhist,Atheist,Hindu,Jew,Sikh or anybody else who does not profess to follow Jesus.

    That's significantly different from the Islamophobia being expressed by Carson.
     
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    No its not. You try to justify your moral outrage as being some kind of higher moral ground as if it makes a difference. You want to simply look for any excuse to condemn a conservative or Republican. The truth is your complaint here is hypocritical. Carson will not vote for one and you will not vote for one. The end result is the same.

    What you need to do is take inventory of your hypocrisy here.

    What you are doing here is pushing the far left narrative of the GOP being hateful toward Muslims. You have exposed yourself.
     
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  7. InTheLight

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    How so?

    Carson said it would be OK for a Muslim to be in Congress. Would you vote for a Muslim running for Congress?
     
  8. Zaac

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    I think this speaks even more to the Islamophobia. He's trying to juxtapose his first comments about a Muslim President with a Muslim Congressman to make it appear that this isn't Islamophobia.

    In fact, I would think he would be more or equally inclined to not want Muslims in Congress for the same reasons he mentioned about the Presidency.

    It's akin to "some of my best friends are Black, but I don't want them marrying my daughter."



    I repeat, I wouldn't vote for a Muslim, Mormon, Buddhist, Atheist, Hindu, Jew, Sikh or anybody else who does not profess to follow Jesus. When I vote, if I don't know if you're a follower of Christ or not, I'm not gonna even think about voting for you.
     
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    OK, so you will ONLY vote for Christians. That seems more radical to me than Ben Carson who only thinks a Muslim should not be President.
     
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    :laugh: Christians SHOULD be radical. But he's not voicing his non-support as an element of faith. He's objecting based upon politics and his belief that Islam and the Koran run contrary to the Constitution. He's afraid of what he thinks a Muslim will do and he wants other folks to perhaps move to that understanding.

    And I wonder why all the folks on the right who scream race baiting aren't screaming Muslim baiting?

    His entire premise for his objection seems to teeter on violating the First Amendment.
     
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    The question is not addressed to me but I would not knowingly vote for a Muslim for president. Islam makes no distinction between the secular and the religion of Mohammed!
     
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    I wouldn't either. Islam is not consistent with Americana values. However, the hypocrisy of condemning Carson for saying so while not being willing to vote for one himself is astounding.
     
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    What's astounding and hypocritical is that you didn't say the same thing about the Mormon.

    According to a lot of ya on here and throughout the GOP, his Mormonism was a non-issue since you were electing a President and not a priest. So why would the faith of the Muslim matter since you're electing a President and not a priest?

    I'll tell ya why. ISLAMOPHOBIA.
     
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    What does Mormonism have to do with this? Why is that an equal comparison. Its not.

    Mormonism while biblically heretical is consistent with American values by and large. Islam, because of Sharia law and their intent to conquer the world is not.

    Should be as American be concerned with Islam and its attacks on our country? You betchya

    Is that concern somehow immoral? Nope not in the least.

    Is it immoral to hypocritically judge someone for the same thing you are doing?


    Well we all know the answer to that question.
     
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    Sure it's an equal comparison. A lot of ya basically claimed his Mormonism wouldn't influence his Presidential decision making. So why would someone's Islam being inconsistent with American values ( and that in itself is a rather Islamophobic blanket type statement to make) affect their Presidential decision making any more than would have Mitt Romney's Mormonism, which a lot of ya claimed as a non-factor?

    It's hypocrisy at it's best and goes to show as I said back then, that a lot of folks on here and in the church don't give a flap about morality or what God says, as those convenient convictions take a back seat to winning an election.

    Nope.

    Sharia law is a very small part of Islam and cannot impact the general public unless someone decides that it trumps the law that's already in place. Large chunks of what's in the Bible is in the Koran. Muslims are much more conservative than are most Americans. Ain't much difference between the values or lack thereof between Muslims and Americans, a lot of who are Muslims.

    Should America be concerned with crazed white guys shooting up churches? Should America be concerned with police officers killing unarmed black men? You betcha. But you didn't hear any of the politicians onstage last week mention either or race relations.

    The above are far more prevalent than anything a Muslim has done. But I understand that the GOP needs to demonize certain groups in order to keep its base riled up.

    No one said it was immoral.

    You're obviously confused as I withhold my support based on faith. He does so on politics. if you can't understand the difference, you may want to think about that title in front of your name. :laugh:

    As we all know the reason why you and members of the GOP think it's okay to overlook Mitt Romney's Mormonism as an influencing factor, but are totally against a Muslim being President.

    The utmost in hypocrisy bathed in ISLAMOPHOBIA.

    What's up with the GOP and the Muslim baiting?
     
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    Rev, you are feeding the trolls of this world! Just a reminder, like the ones you send me when I get sucked into their black hole (space continuum term, not racist).
     
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    Son, you are using way to much cyber space time. Please reduce your lectures to the one or two words sentences you are known for!
     
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    Carson has you all thinking what he wants you to think. he diverted your attention away from his true phobia which is most ironic. He fears the Roman Catholics while he is a Roman Catholic JUST LIKE them, but receiving the favours instead of them because he goes under the name of Seventh-day Adventist. Carson like no Seventh-day Adventist would vote against himself; that's his only 'reason' for his weird accepting a Muslim congressman, but not a Muslim president.

    Carson is far more clever conman than Barak Obama could wish.
     
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    How's that? It violates the 1st Amd. to say who you will or will not vote for, or who should or should not be elected? And your out, I suppose, is that word, "teeter?" I can recall when I was 4 or 5 years old what I and kid down the street used that word for... and I suppose it may be a point that you bring it into politics.

    Perhaps it's comparable to why all the folks on the left who scream 'police brutality' or 'police killings' aren't screaming "muslim killings" about 9-11 or the army shrink at Ft. Hood.
     
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    The United States was not established as a Christian nation (too bad). However, it was established by men of Western European roots who possessed Western values. The Christian faith is the most significant aspect of Western values and indeed most of our founders were Christians. NONE of them were Moslems. The Moslem faith does not embrace Western values and, therefore, it has no place in the halls of power in this country, especially not the Presidency. I would add that our current President does not embrace Western values and he has done more damage to our country than all of his predecessors combined.
     
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