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BHO Defines Sin...

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Bible-boy, Aug 5, 2008.

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  1. sag38

    sag38 Active Member

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    I don't like George Bush and have never agreed with his religious statements. And, I've never believed that he was the answer to all our problems. But, compared to Al Gore or John Edwards he was certainly the better. And, I don't remember a cult like image being given to Gore, Edwards, or even "W". Although I have seen "W" portrayed as satan on several occasions. Obama, however, seems to be portraying himself as a dreamer, a change agent, smarter than your average citizen and worthy of our vote and allegiance. In the midst of the hype there has been very little substance to this supposed changed. I haven't really been given a clear picture of Obama's dream. He wants us out of Iraq but what else? Back on point, the humility is quickly fading from his persona. We people who love our guns and Jesus need Obama because we are too stupid to manage our own lives without him. And, the sad thing is that people are falling for this. Obama, for some, is enjoying rock star status rather than that of a political figure. Do we want a rock star for president?
     
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  2. Bible-boy

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    This is the informal fallacy of ad hominem--circumstantial. You are introducing irrelevant personal circumstances surrounding the opponent (Goldberg) as if it were some sort of valid evidence against the opponent's (Goldberg's) position. Source: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html

    Likewise, in the OP I linked to Goldberg's blog because that is where I first found the information. However, if you will notice all the other posts I made are linked directly to a complete copy of the Chicago Sun Times interview where BHO made these statements.
     
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  3. Bible-boy

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    Here, Here! Or is that Hear, Hear!:thumbs:
     
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  4. Bible-boy

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    Because said politician claims to be a Christian and he gave an extensive interview to the Chicago Sun Times on the subject. According to the answers he gave to the interview questions it appears that BHO is as lost as a ball in high weeds. His answers indicate that he is most likely a Post-modern New Ager rather than a born again Christian.

    BTW, I hold John McCain to the same microscope. In the past McCain has claimed to be a Baptist. He said this because his wife and kids are members of a Baptist church in Phoenix, AZ. He may attend that Baptist church, but he is not a Baptist. I believe he was raised in an Episcopalian home and he (to my knowledge) has never made a statement of faith indicating that he believes Baptist doctrine and been baptized by immersion.
     
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  5. betterthanideserve

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    His mother was an atheist,what values could she give ? Other than that there is no such thing as GOD? What spiritual lessons?No such thing as sin? WOW!
     
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  6. betterthanideserve

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    What I did hear him say is that he "didn't see the need of being baptized"!

    I have never heard him say anything about a conversion experience,and to be truthful,I dont like McCain...........he's a globalist just like Obama.and every other candidate with the exceptions of RP and CB.
     
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  7. Bible-boy

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    Now come on...

    In the interview he said that his mother was a Methodist and that she took him to church on Easter...:saint:
     
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  8. donnA

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    So do quite a few people on this board.

    As we see everyday here on the BB, christians do not always believe the samethings.
    So?
     
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  9. donnA

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    And you think this means what? Obama's quotes are his own quotes, no matter where you copy and paste from. Plus there was links to other places to read it. But you didn't get that far.
     
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  10. Revmitchell

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    OK with who?
     
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  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    The pat answer here four years ago was "We are not voting for a pastor but a president." Once I got over the initial charge that I made the whole thing up.
     
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  12. annsni

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    Was he saying that there are many paths that people have traveled to come to the Lord (in other words, my testimony is very different than another's testimony) or was he saying that "all roads lead to heaven" (that even those who do not have Christ as Savior can get to heaven because of their own beliefs/works/whatever)?
     
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  13. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    He was including Muslims.

    Sorry, I am not going to go find the link for the umpteenth time :)
     
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  14. Bible-boy

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    Yep, C4K is correct on this. I remember the President stating somethig to the effect of, "In the name of the God of Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammad..." while speaking in the National Cathedral at a prayer service following 9/11.

    And if memory serves correctly many here on the BB cried foul about it. Like Tom already said this is a red herrring distraction from the current discussion. The topic is BHO and his statements about Christianity in his interview with the Chicago Sun Times. George Bush and his statements are another topic for another thread.
     
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  15. donnA

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    Apparently theres already been another threas, if anyone wants to discuss it, they should go the other thread, at which they've already discussed it.
     
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    Sorry about the tangent but I was curious since the statement really could go both ways. Thanks for the explanation.
     
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  17. NiteShift

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    Jimmy Carter addressed the Ayatollah Khomeini as "a man of God". And his UN envoy Andrew Young described Khomeini as "a Twentieth Century saint".

    This is better than the Bush comments how again?
     
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  18. righteousdude2

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    Someone Should Invite BHO to the BB

    A Moderator from the BB should tender an offer of membership to BHO, than he'd have a better understanding that the Messiah has already come, defined what sin is, and set up the one and only, true plan of salvation. BHO's theory on sin is nothing more than a Messiah Complex on his behalf!!!:thumbs:

    Shalom,

    Pastor Paul :type:

    Maybe Rick Warren could get BHO to visit the BB:laugh:
     
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  19. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    He's liberal
     
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  20. Bro. Curtis

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    That's not correct, Roger. Bush was slammed, right here on the baptistboard, for those comments. By several people, on all sides. I'm not sure why you are being so dishonest, but I have had to challenge you twice, in three days, on statements you have made. The other one was never answered.
     
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