Bible Translation

Hmm,an inhouse!

 

Maybe that's wot happened to those blokes with the first NIV,,,They were so cow and calf they forgot the release of the refuse.......(sorry,,cow and calf is laugh)

Cheers,

Jim

 

What can I say? I guess it made me wonder what other stuff might have been left out.

Like I said, I don't denigrate the NIV but I think the NASB is more accurate. I'm picky.

 

My prof was sure it was a loo. And I think we see that in the story about the "refuse" coming out, and the next 4 verses:


23Then Ehud went out into the vestibule and shut the doors of the roof chamber behind him, and locked them.
24When he had gone out, his servants came and looked, and behold, the doors of the roof chamber were locked; and they said, "He is only relieving himself in the cool room."
25They waited until they became anxious; but behold, he did not open the doors of the roof chamber. Therefore they took the key and opened them, and behold, their master had fallen to the floor dead. 26Now Ehud escaped while they were delaying, and he passed by the idols and escaped to Seirah.

I just love the Bible - it has so many gems! Look at that line - "he passed by the idols." I love it. God packs so much in even just short accounts.

 

I think the details in this story are important - well, in any account.

It's just the way I am - I make no apologies about it.

Heh, heh.

Btw, the New Century Version leaves it out:

21 Ehud reached with his left hand and took out the sword that was tied to his right hip. Then he stabbed the sword deep into the king's belly!22 Even the handle sank in, and the blade came out his back. The king's fat covered the whole sword, so Ehud left the sword in Eglon.


The NLT has it:
Ehud reached with his left hand, pulled out the dagger strapped to his right thigh, and plunged it into the king’s belly. 22 The dagger went so deep that the handle disappeared beneath the king’s fat. So Ehud did not pull out the dagger, and the king’s bowels emptied.


The NKJV says it's the "entrails:"
21 Then Ehud reached with his left hand, took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly. 22 Even the hilt went in after the blade, and the fat closed over the blade, for he did not draw the dagger out of his belly; and his entrails came out.


The NKJV is much more polite -- the servants said the king was "probably attending to his needs in the cool chamber," and the NLT uses "latrine." I have a feeling it was more explicit language among the servants. :smilewinkgrin:

It's really fascinating to compare these versions in this story.

 

Marcia, Your prof may offer this extra information....Traditionally, the Benjamites were left handed or at least ambi-dextrous..the left-handed sling shot slingers had marvellous accuracy (compate Judges 20:16 and 1 Chron 12:2 (I think).Hence, Ehud's movement in the presence of the king and his people aroused no suspicion.

Cheers,

Jim

 

That's very interesting, Jim!

 

Eglon had quite the bowel movement.

 

How would like to go down in posterity for that? Shows how evil Eglon was in God's eyes, imo.

 

Or How About King Herod In Acts 12:23?

"Immediately,because Herod did not give praise to God,an angel of the Lord struck him down,and he was eaten by worms and died." (TNIV)

 

Now I shall step out of line and tell you about when we first got loos in England. The portable units were in a shed attached to back of house. When they moved indoors, the pipes were on the outside of walls and ran down an open trenchway to the street sewers.

As kids, we used to wait for the flush and dash outdoors to watch
everything float down that trench to the street. It became a game.........I might add, we were easily amused in those days.

If you can image a city as old as London and not getting flush loos until the 1940's!!!!

Cheers,

Jim

 

Yeah, him, too.

Btw, I just checked and The Message, the CEV, and Young's Literal all leave out that part like the NIV.

Well, it's late! :sleep:

 

If it's alright with you I don't want to imagine that. (Don't they have an icon for embarrassment?)

 

You can add the NET Bible."The handle went in after the blade,and the fat closed around the blade,for Ehud did not pull the sword out of his belly."

There's a 12 line explanation on this in the NET notes.It says,among other things :The Hebrew text has "and he went out to the [?]"

 

Two more don't have it.

NJB : The hilt too went in after the blade,and the fat closed over the blade,since Ehud did not pull the dagger out of his belly again.

NIrV : Even the handle sank in after the blade.The blade came right out the king's back.Ehud didn't pull the sword out.And the fat closed over it.

 

What a comfort knowing that the ESV has dung included there.

 

There are two spurious Hebrew words in that text and apparently there is some mixup on how to translate those two words. I can't quote them now. It has been a long time since I actually studied that text.

At any rate, they don't trouble the meaning of the text, in my opinion.

I am just amused that the bloke entertained guests in the loo! That would interfere with my reading.

Cheers,

Jim

 

This is technically true, not only for the NIV, but about any other version, as well. "Strictly" does allow for no variants, by definition. Nor is it probably accurate to say that any are English versions are 100% 'literal', either. (And I haven't, although I would suggest that the YLT is maybe the closest to this attempt.) However, given that at the time of the appearance of the NIV, one essentially had the limited choices of "formal" equivalence, "dynamic" equivalence, and "paraphrase", to opt for, DE is the most accurate, IMO, of the three, since by no means, is the NIV a paraphrase of an existing English translation. "Optimal equivalence" did not exist, prior to the phrase being coined by those associated with the HCSB, and my description of MSG as an 'extremely free translation', is one of my own making, as well, although I think my idea of this actually came from something you said about the MSG, in some earlier post.

Ed

 

Yes. (It says "red face")