Biblical Chastening

Read the life of David careflully. Many times he was chastized of the Lord, and sometimes quite severly so. David was a man after God's own heart, the only one in Scripture to be named as such. The difference between David and others is that when David sinned he repented of his sin. When he was corrected he accepted it.

 

I thought your sins were paid for at the cross, why the chastisement? Why the advocate if we do sin? Did all of a sudden you sins were not paid for?

 

According to ME, the only sins that are paid for are those you commit up until you're saved. After that, you either have to confess them or pay for them yourself in hell/outer darkness/lake of fire/insert ME theory here.

 

Psalm 51 is a particularly good example of repentance by David.

 

The purpose of chastizment is not to pay for sins. They are already paid for by the finished work of Jesus. The purpose of chastizement is for God to get your attention when one ignores the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I think (thank) chastizement is part of the sanctification process.

 

Just curious -- if the cross only paid for the sins we commit before we're saved, isn't that a bizarre form of limited atonement?

 

Limited atonement (if one believes that point) has to do with the number of individuals, not a time span.

 

Or, you were never saved to start with, then you would go to hell except you repent and be born again.

Hbr 6:4For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Hbr 6:6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

 

1. As someone who believes in Particular Atonement, you have given too narrow of a view of it.

2. Particular Atonement takes care of the sins sinners, past, present and future. That's the complete concept of it.

 

I agree with that statement. I didnt word it too well. There is no time element in this concept like there is no time element in Christ's forgiveness, as the so called ME crowd says.

Also, I agree with your view of limited attonement. (Particular). I absolutely refuse to get in a Calvin-free will debate. It produces nothing, changes no minds, and the rants go on forever.

 

This makes no sense in terms of ME. If you can pay for your sins by spending 1,000 years in hell, then you don't put Him to open shame, since you took care of the debt, yourself. Not that ME makes any sense, anyway, but that seems to contradict this passage in Hebrews.

 

How do you put someone on ignore?

 

Go to their profile, and you will see the option to put them on ignore. I believe it's in the bar on the right. I don't understand why it isn't easier than that. You get an option right on a post to REMOVE someone from ignore, but (unless I missed something) you have to go the profile to PLACE someone on ignore. Go figure.

 

1. Like prayer, the Atonement as it applies to our sins must be viewed in the same matter. Before we pray, God already knows what we need before we ask, prayer shows our dependence on God and glorifies God (Ps 50:15).

2. When we sin and confess them, it shows our dependence on God and glorifies him, but those sins have already been paid for (1 John 2:12)

3. We need to believe that the Atonement of Christ accomplish something.

 

Exactly. This is an excellent view of both prayer and atonement, IMO.

 

Excellent post. The ME whatever it is takes away from your third point.