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Biblical seperation

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Pete Richert, Dec 10, 2002.

  1. Pete Richert

    Pete Richert New Member

    Jul 6, 2001
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    Okay, I do NOT want this to spin off into a back and forth between more and less conservative people. I am looking for some ACTUAL and SPECIFIC examples of personal seperation as you guys see it.

    So here we go. I often serf the net and read some very "fundie" websites that stress personal seperation from the world. I must ask, what does that mean? So let me give some examples from my own life.

    One of my best friends (he stays over about every two weeks) is an atheist, should I not be friends with him? Should I not enjoy playing board games with him? What is my appriopate response.

    Is it okay to watch a movie (or television program) with clean content in it? And if the fact that most movies are rather non-christian spoils all of them, what about the internet? It is 90% porn yet I use it to post the baptist board and buy books.

    Should I not have a job at my secular company?

    Should I not shop in stores that sell "non-Christian" products, bad magazines, alchohol?

    Should I not send my children to public schools, or public universities?

    Should I curse everything sports?

    How about the military for this rather godless nation?

    How about voting for elections in this godless nation?

    Anyway, just trying to understand.
  2. Bartimaeus

    Bartimaeus New Member

    Feb 12, 2002
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    I am not trying to be a wise-guy. I am truly trying to help you. Ask God, not the people on this board. Research these questions out in the scriptures. I have two teen-age children who are going to been on their own in the next couple of years. I do not want them to have my convictions, I want them to have convictions that came from God directly to their hearts. I will know then that they will be convinced on their own. I believe doctrine is something you learn from someone else and study out for yourself. Personal Convictions are given by the Lord personally. God Bless you Brother.

    Thanks ------Bart
  3. donnA

    donnA New Member

    Aug 10, 2000
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    Should you do all these things?
    Depends on your goal.
    Biblical seperation or legalism.
    If there is nothing wrong in and of itself about these things then theres no reason not too. like if your secular company is legitamante then whats wrong with working there? If as you say a movie is clean content, shoping in stores that sell questionable goods along with the lones you need to buy, then wheres the problem would be my question. We live in the world, we have to del with that. At the same time we are to bewitnesses to an unbelieveing world, like I may have to shop where alchol is sold, but I don't have to buy it, I may have an athiest friend, but I am not an athiest.(I actually live in a dry area, no stores here sell alchol, and if you stopped being the friend of an athiest simply becasue they were athiest what view would they then have of christianity?)
    We have to know just what to choose to do and not do in an unbelieveing secular world maintain our chirsitan witness, and yet not let it turn into legalism.
  4. Abiyah

    Abiyah <img src =/abiyah.gif>

    Jul 22, 2002
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    This is a very interesting subject; I am glad you
    brought it up. I have never studied it or worried
    about it, so I am inquiring for the first time. Thank

    I have started by looking the word up, of course.
    It is defined as (not necessarily in this order, and
    this order has no significance to me either)
    (1) "marked off by bounds,"
    (2) to "set apart for the work of the Gospel,"
    (3) separation as the result of divine judgment,
    (4) separation of believers from unbelievers,
    (5)withdrawal from believers who have sinned and
    are unrepentant,
    (6) and people who cause division or separation
    through strife.
    I am not trying to claim this is all-inclusive.

    Of these, are the "separations" you are interested
    in numbers 1 and 4? These are the ones I am
    going to look into, so I was wondering.
  5. Abiyah

    Abiyah <img src =/abiyah.gif>

    Jul 22, 2002
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    I have learned so far that a separation from un-
    cleaness is required [Lev. 15:31]. Also that there
    are some deliberate separations that are
    terminal and some that are not to be terminal.

    Paul, facing divisive people, took those who wish
    to hear him and went elsewhere in order to teach
    without having to also deal with disruption and to
    keep his disciples from being confused [Acts
    19:9]. This appears to sanction the idea of
    keeping the assembly pure.

    2 Corinthians 6:14 - 18 says not to yoke with
    unbelievers. While this Scripture is not speci-
    fic regarding the many yokes we do form in the
    world, it seems to indicate marriage, since mar-
    riage is considered a yoking; therefore, it likely
    includes close friendships as well. What about
    contracts in business which place two persons
    on an equal platform with no exit? The verses
    advise to 'come out from their midst and be
    separate,' says the Lord" [17]. In another place,
    the Bible says not to be friends with the "world."

    But there are times when separation has been
    seen as hypocritical [Gal 2]. Furthermore, the
    Bible tells us to be deliberate lights in the world
    --something that is impossible without having
    to do with the "world." Tthere is more I could
    say in this matter, but I am sure it is well known.

    I find that much in the Scripture is held in a ten-
    sion, and much must be decided based upon
    what we have learned from other believers' exper-
    iences, through our own experiences, through
    common sense, and, especially, through the
    nudging of the Holy Spirit.

    What have you learned?
  6. go2church

    go2church Active Member
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    Jun 21, 2002
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    Only form those who claim to be Christians but don't follow biblical patterns for their life. All other seperation is unbiblical.
  7. Walls

    Walls New Member

    Mar 1, 2002
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    When Israel wondered through the wilderness, God told them abide there but not to partake of their ways.

    You need to ask yourself, How can I abide here and not partake of their ways?

    The games you play with your friend, are they ungodly, like dungeons and dragons? The Bible says not to be unequally yoked (I believe this is in marriage, but can apply to friendships as well). If you have children and they have friends that could harm their relationship with the Lord, would you allow the association?

    I won't go further, as I hope I have made my point. You can't do it all, but you can make important steps in your walk, daily!