Biblical sufficiency

And those who disagree with your faulty interpretation are not "truly seeking the truth?"

 

The faulty interpretation is not with me, reformedbeliever.

Show me in that passage where it says to drink some and stop before one arrives at drunkenness.

It is not there.

 

The Scripture says:

Proverbs 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

But some would have it say

Look thou not upon the wine after thou hast had a glass or two.

I will stick with Scripture.

 

Try context standing. The proper context of all the scripture has been pointed out to you ad nauseum............

You didn't answer my question. Are those who disagree with you not truly seeking the truth? Come on standing...... are you afraid to outright say what you have implied? I thought you were standingfirm.

 

I showed the proper context.

 

Then according to your interpretation, the bible contradicts itself.

 

You didn't answer my question. Are those who disagree with you not truly seeking the truth?

 

The Bible does not contradict itself. Alcoholic wine is forbidden. Proverbs 23:29-35.

 

You implied that those who do not agree with your interpretation are not truly seeking truth. Is this what you are saying?

 

No, what I am saying is if people don't agree with the Word of God they are not seeking the truth.

You argue that context of Proverbs 23:29-31 shows moderation is allowed.

I have showed that it clearly does not allow drinking of alcohol.

 

I have not argued any such thing. Get your facts straight. I said others have told you to read in context, which you fail to do.

never mind.................................................

 

Excessive is what is in view in Prov 23:29-31. Consider these lines:

"Who has redness of eyes?
Those who linger over wine."

 

...and we keep seeing it in your posts...

You have been given an outstanding exegesis by Archangel, and instead of reading or responding to that, you harden your heart further, and talk past us with the same lame old pre-programmed responces.

 

Proverbs 23:31 does not say Don't look at the wine when you...,

It says Look not thou ... when it.

When it what?? When it is fermented.

The focus in the verses prior to and following verse 31 are on the person. The focus in verse 31 is on the beverage. Look not thou upon it..

 

SFIC,

1. I went back and read post #32, which Webdog drew to my attention and I quite agree with Archangel analysis.

2. We cannot isolate v.31 from its context. The writer has in mind the person who has woe, sorrow, contentions, complaining, wounds without cause and redness of eyes--such a person should not look on wine.

3. That is what I see in the text.

 

What did they get the red eyes from, the sorrow, the wounds without cause? the contention?

From partaking of the wine that Scripture says not even to look at.

Tell me TC, did the wine turn fermented before they got all the above symptoms of drunkenness?

Verse 31, when used in context, shows one is not to drink alcohol so as not to get the red eyes, contention, sorrow, drunkenness, etc..

Again, the verse does not say "Look not thou upon the wine after you have drank moderately." No, it says Look not thou upon the wine when it is fermented. Did it become fermented only after one has had a glass of it? or prior to that one drinking a glass of it?

The clear command is to abstain from the wine in its fermented state.

 

Proverbs 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Come on annsni. Surely you are not trying to tell me that the wine Solomon was warning against was not fermented?

Non alcoholic wine is not going to cause one to get into fights and not feel it.

 

Couldn't "when it is red" mean undiluted?

Undiluted wine can get you drunk. Watered down wine would be too weak to get anyone drunk and wouldn't be red.