Biblical wine -- alcoholic or juice

Probably wasn't this . . .

 

Definitely not this:
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Some on this board must think it was this:

 

Wine in the Bible is both fermented and unfermented--depending on the context. God's Word does not contradict itself--wine cannot be a BLESSING and a MOCKER--it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. Although some on this board want to justify their use of alcoholic beverages, so they claim that ALL wine in the Bible was fermented/alcholic.

 

I cannot answer the poll, for the true answer is not there. The true answer is, without a doubt, it was both alcoholic and non-alcoholic.

While we see figures like Noah, Lot, and others getting drunk on an alcoholic wine, we also see Scripture pointing to the fact that there was also a wine of a non-alcoholic nature.

The problem is people want to interpret wine as being alcoholic because
1. If they can convince others it was alcoholic, then that justifies their own use of it.
2. If they can convince others that Christ gave alcoholic wine to the wedding guests at Cana, then that justifies their own use of it.
3. If they can convince others that Christ drank alcoholic wine, then that justifies their own use of it.


Apparently they have convinced others of the alcohol being ok to drink. But they have not convinced me.

 

Wine most certainly can be both a blessing and a mocker. Many such chemicals can be, actually. Alcohol can be used as medicine (eg. most cold medications) or as an intoxicating beverage. One is a blessing, the other a curse. Ephedrine can be used for allergies, to clear the sinuses, or it can be used to make crystal meth. One use benneficial, and the other harmful.

I am not justifying my drinking, as I do not drink, but it is a great misunderstanding of a great many things to try to think that wine is anything other than wine.

 

Guns can be a blessing and a curse, but they're not mentioned in the Bible.

How about silver? It's the symbol of redemption, yet Judas accepted it for betrayal.

How about knives? Fire? Governments?

 

But weaponry in general...

"But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword." Matthew 26:52, NKJV.

"Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." Luke 22:36, NKJV.

As you have pointed out, a great many things can be both a blessing and a curse. It all has to do with what sinful humans do with what God has made.

 

I'm with her...

 

It matters not whether you are with her or not, what matters is does this belief that Jesus made, drank and endorsed alcoholic wine line up with God's Word?

And the Biblical answer to that is a resounding No!

 

She voted for me by proxy... :thumbs: :laugh:

However, if I must speak, I'm with Bitsy, I find the conclusive evidence showing non-alchoholic wine was made in Bible days.

Jesus made = yes
Jesus drank = yes
Endorsed, I didn't hear him speak one way or the other. I'd hate to put words in the Lords mouth, I think he does a good job speaking for Himself...

 

I could not vote because some of the Biblical wine was alcoholic and some was not.

There are two words for wine in the Greek and Hebrew texts. One meaning alcoholic and the other non-alcoholic.

 

Even that doesn't get that clear cut, however. In the old testament, yes, but in the new, when Jesus made wine, the word oinos is used. According to Strongs this is derived of the hebrew yayin, alcoholic wine.

Yet, in Acts on the day of Pentecost, when people accuse the apostles of being drunk, they say they are full of new wine, gleukos, meaning grape juice.

I do not see where a word study resolves this issue.

 

It doesn't. I was just explaining why I could not vote.

There were only two choices. There should have been a third choice - "both of the above".