Birth Control ... Right or Wrong?

Let me get something straight. The BCP's purpose is to 1) prevent the ovary from releasing the egg, and 2) prevent the sperm from reaching the egg. What scientific data do we have that says the third is to abort a zygote? How would this be known? I have seen this thrown around as "fact" without links supporting it as "fact".

 

I advised earlier for anyone who wants to know, simply go to your local pharmacy and ask for a patient product insert for a common BCP. You will find the info in this insert which is in the bulk container. All you have to do is ask for it.

 

I did ask my Ob Gyn once. He said there are types that do that, but the most common ones are not abortifacients. They just block fertilization.

I dont use them now, (not because of this BB discussion)and I still know how to keep from getting pregnant. It has nothing to do with my faith in God. If we did end up with another munchkin, I would trust him to provide.

Why do so many people think that "not trying" to have kids is wrong? It doesnt even have to involve bought products.

 

and I still know how to keep from getting pregnant (knock on wood).

Ummm, tater, I'm not really sure that method works so well...

 

well, actually it took me twice to figure it out

 

While the third mechanism is a possible mechanism of contraception, it is considered improbable although the probability has not been calculated because of the difficulty of making such calculations.

 

Here is a better link, the fact is we know without a doubt that the secondary mechanism is a key part of achieveing the 99+ percent effectivness. It is not just an improbable possibilty. It is something that will come into play if you are regularly on BCP's. Check out the article by pharmacist at the bottom of the page.

PS I have not learned to shorten links yet, sorry.


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[ December 20, 2005, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: Bible-boy ]

 

From the link.


Q. So how do you prove that the pill acts as an abortifacient?


A. The answer to this question can be found by comparing the rate of break-through ovulation and the detected pregnancy rate. The ovulation rate has been reported to be about 27 ovulations in 100 women using the pill for one year. But the detected pregnancy rate is much lower at around 4 pregnancies per 100 women using the pill for one year.


As you can see, there is a big difference between the number of women who ovulation (27) and the number of detected pregnancies (4). What has happened within the woman’s body to reduce the high ovulation rate to such a low number of detected pregnancies? I suggest that one answer to this important question is that pregnancies have begun, because ovulation and fertilization have occurred, but some of these pregnancies are terminated because implantation cannot take place. The pill has damaged the lining of the womb, stopping implanation.

 

If the egg does not stop to implant into the uterus, how can the egg become fertilized?

 

Webdog, its all a matter of definition of words.

One could even argue that preganancy is an abortification process!

Because the change in the uteran lining caused by the birth control pill is exactly the change that the normal implantation of the egg causes.

Do you know why a woman never gets a second baby started halfway through the pregnancy of the first?

Its because of that change in the lining. Fertilized eggs that come along are

(gasp)

ABORTED

according to the extreme point of view.

and the baby that's already there just goes along and happily comes to term and is born.

 

Um, let's do a little lesson in biology, men.

1. An egg is fertilized before it implants. It is fertilized on its way through the fallopian tube. Implantation is a result of fertilization, not the 'cause' of it. At the time of implantation the fertilized egg has already divided a number of times and is technically referred to as a blastocyst.

2. A woman, when pregnant, does not ovulate. No babies are 'aborted'.

3. Giving birth is not the same as abortion and to make some kind of parallel there shows just how far the liberal 'logic' can go to try to justify itself!

 

Helen, you are not entitled to your own facts

It is true that ovulation is suppressed in women after pregnancy occurs, but it is not a one hundred percent successful suppression. Ovulation sometimes occurs anyway. One proof this is so is that sometimes non-identical twins are born of obvious differing times of conception. So even the change in the uterine lining isn't perfect!

But the fact remains, the fail-safe device of the change in uterine lining is there, it is an effective barrier to a second (physically undesireable) preganancy within the womb, and therefore by implication hundreds of these "fertilized" eggs are rejected and discarded every year, nobody notices, and nobody cares, and that's the way God designed it to function - as a fail safe in the event of unwanted ovulation.

 

Paul of Eugene,

I have never ever heard of any of what you are talking about, and have serious doubts that you know what you are talking about. Ive only heard of twins being born a significant time apart one time.......and that was because one twin was born prematurely and the doctors stopped the labor process in time to give the other twin more "uterine" time. Thus the twins were born something like 2 or 3 months apart. But they had both been fertilized at the same time!

Regardless, your reasoning along this line is beyond the point. We have ALL said that GOD has the right to "abort" anyone He wants. Technically, Ive had 3 abortions........in the medical world what you and I call a miscarriage is called among doctors a natural abortion. I can only live with this because I know God is in control, and He has ultimate rights over deciding who lives and who dies.

Thus Helen is absolutely correct. YOu cannot equate a natural abortion/miscarriage with a woman taking the "pill" and causing a death. They simply are not the same thing. To try to make them such is placing humans in God's position.

 

If the egg does not stop to implant into the uterus, how can the egg become fertilized? </font>[/QUOTE]As Helen mentioned, eggs are fertilized before uterine implantation. Fertilization usually happens in the fallopian tubes but can also occur in the uterus, but always before implantation.

Paul of Eugene is also correct in that eggs ovulated and fertilized after one has already implanted on the uterus will not implant due to uterine lining changes. Although this is rare in that ovulation usually does not happen after an egg has implanted because of the hormone changes (the same ones that the bcp mimics) in a woman's body.

bapmom, in the case of twins born at different times, that is not a function of implantation. Both eggs implanted at around the same time and for whatever reason, one twin developed faster maybe to the detriment of the other twin.

 

The Straight Dope : Can twins be born a month or two apart?

 

"Because the change in the uteran lining caused by the birth control pill is exactly the change that the normal implantation of the egg causes."

This is completley wrong. A woman who has ovulated recives a "signal" from the overy which has ovulated to begin to prepare the uterus. A fertilized egg, a zygote or blastocyst produces Human chorionic ganadotropin, which is a second signal for the utersus to prepare even more (it maintains the first signal). BCP's interfere with these signals and the uterus is unable to prepare for the zygote, even though the zygote is sending a request for the uterus to "get ready". In spite of all the signals sent, when the zygote arrives the uterus is not able to implant because the uterus was prevented from preparing.

The BCP's use a hormonal suppreson of ovulation. But it is artificail and is not 100 percent effective at stoping ovulation. Why would you expect it to be?

 

Menagerie, Don't worry about what others do with the truth, Just worry about what you do with it.

 

Deadman, what does this passage have to do with birth control?

Can you come up with one command of Christ's that says anything about birth control? I don't think soooooo.