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Boniface VII, Supreme Pontif, or murderin' theif ?

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches this about their leader....

    881 The Lord made Simon alone, whom he named Peter, the "rock" of his Church. He gave him the keys of his Church and instituted him shepherd of the whole flock.400 "The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of apostles united to its head."401 This pastoral office of Peter and the other apostles belongs to the Church's very foundation and is continued by the bishops under the primacy of the Pope.

    882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."402 "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."403

    936 The Lord made St. Peter the visible foundation of his Church. He entrusted the keys of the Church to him. The bishop of the Church of Rome, successor to St. Peter, is "head of the college of bishops, the Vicar of Christ and Pastor of the universal Church on earth" (CIC, can. 331).

    937 The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, "supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls" (CD 2).
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    Certainly pope Boniface VII had some power over souls. He gained the office in 974, after the murder of John XIII, which many believed he personally committed. As a result of the furor over this, he fled to Constantinople, with most of the church's teasury. While in hiding, he was replaced by Benedict VII, who died in 983. He was replaced by John XIV. Meanwhile ole' Boneface was growing restless, so he went back in 984, murdered John XIV, and took back the papal chair until his death, around 986.
    SOURCE
     
    #1 Bro. Curtis, Nov 10, 2003
  2. GraceSaves

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    Curtis,

    Is there a reason you are using an obscure online encyclopedia for your source?

    What is even more funny is that not only the title of the website, but the URL even has the word ANTIPOPE, but you never mention it.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02661c.htm

    He was an antipope.
     
    #2 GraceSaves, Nov 10, 2003
  3. trying2understand

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    Because it cites it's sources so precisely?

    For example, from the link Curtis gave:

    "This article uses text from the 9th edition (1880s) of an unnamed encyclopedia"


    Curtis is in a deep hole right now. And as I previously said, he's only digging deeper. His darker emotions seem to be getting the better of him.

    He deserves our pity.
     
    #3 trying2understand, Nov 10, 2003
  4. Bro. Curtis

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    Are you telling me the article isn't true ?
     
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    #5 Bro. Curtis, Nov 10, 2003
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    And even if he was a pope (he was an antipope), what difference would that make?

    The first pope denied Jesus Christ three times explicitly, which constitutes the grave sin of apostasy - a sin much worse than murder, theft, or adultery.
     
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  7. trying2understand

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    Benedict VII was Pope from 974 to 983.

    Gone over to the dark side, Curtis? [​IMG]

    Instead of feeding your darker inclinations, why don't you spend the time in prayer.

    I guarantee you, it would be time better spent. [​IMG]
     
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  8. Bro. Curtis

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    Then enlighten me about Boneface. He didn't exist ?

    These insults don't change facts, Ronnie boy.
     
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  9. trying2understand

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    How do you figure?

    It's a very short article.

    Quote the part that says that Boniface VII was a Pope.

    It aint there.
     
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    That a person named Boniface VII existed does not make him Pope.
     
    #10 trying2understand, Nov 10, 2003
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    Doesn't come right out and say it, no. But a little digging will show anyone who wants to know what happened. Two popes murdered, and a lot of loot gone.

    Denial ain't a river in Egypt.
     
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    I see, you make the accusations, and when your source doesn't show that he was Pope, you say we need to dig it up for you.
     
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  13. neal4christ

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    Curtis,

    The only thing you do with these threads (besides ruffle feathers) is show that Popes are sinners in need of a Savior. I think all the Catholics here would agree with that.

    In Christ,
    Neal
     
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  14. CatholicConvert

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    Brother Curtis --

    I wonder......

    Is the "dark side" (evil papistry) starting to git to ya? :eek:

    Have the boys in black here at BB been makin entirely too much sense lately? :eek:

    Do you lie in bed at night thinkin thinkin thinkin......finding in yer heart that perhaps what Ron and Carson and Bill have been saying *gasp* is really true and makes sense?? :eek: :eek:

    Are you secretly longin in yer heart to hear the bells and smell da smells agin? Is your heart arguin with yer head over going back across the Tiber to the Home you left?

    Do you hear the voice of your Blessed Mother deeep deeeeeeeeep in your soul callin to you?

    WELL?????

    I wonder, because after a half a dozen of these posts, I see a man who is acting like someone who is desparately trying to trash the Church so he can continue to not like Her and not believe that She really is the Church our Lord established here on earth.

    I think you, like St. Paul, are "kickin against the pricks".

    Actually, I hope so. Been praying for ya to return. Maybe some day, after we explains it all to you real good.

    (You gots some 'splainin' to do, LUCY!!)

    Brother Ed -- in friendship as always.
     
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  15. Bro. Curtis

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    You give yourself too much credit. I look up popes, find out what they did, and opine here. I do it because I like to. And the wonderful folks here at the B.B. give me a free place to post it. I don't think it will ever change anything, but I don't feel I have to justify myself to anyone, either. I'll keep posting it up if they keep letting me.
     
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  16. MikeS

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    No, that's not what you do. You look up popes, find out what they did bad, and opine here. There's a vast difference in result and in motive.
     
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  17. Bro. Curtis

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    Well like I said, I don't feel I need to get approval from catholics before my post goes up.
     
    #17 Bro. Curtis, Nov 12, 2003
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    So it doesn't matter that you don't present the whole picture honestly and objectively, and you use double standards? Does that glorify Christ?

    In Christ,
    Neal
     
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  19. Bro. Curtis

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    I feel it's the RCC that's hiding ole' Boneface's popedom. Every list I saw, 'cept for the catholic sites, lists a pope Boniface VII. Even the RCC encyclopdia says he tried to take the throne.

    So the question is, was this guy's crime spree a supreme act of God taking care of his church, or did the gates of hell prevail, if even slightly, against it ?
     
    #19 Bro. Curtis, Nov 12, 2003
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    You failed to note in your posts at least that Catholics claim he was an antipope. That is not being honest and objective. And I was not specifically referring to this thread, but many of your threads in general. Again, does it glorify Christ to use double standards and present issues with a bias?

    In Christ,
    Neal
     
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