Brown Was the Lessor of Two Evils... Really!

Martin, you really should reconsider the content of post #17.

You are "answering" a lot of arguments that haven't been made, by attributing to RD2 things he didn't say, or IMHO, even imply.

A lot of your points are true, BUT they are totally out of context with the post you are supposedly(?) discussing.

You are pulling the libs tactics of reading into what is written, so they don't have to answer the actual content.

Read what is ACTUALLY written, not an "INTERPRETATION" thru your biases.

Even tho' I disagree a lot, you are usually much more logical than this post depicts.

 

Not true! Coakley absolutely supported so-called abortion "rights" and, in general, the Democrats do so to a greater degree than Republicans. The proposed health care legislation - at the least the last publicly available version I saw - included some additional support of expansion of abortion services. A vote for Coakley would have made the health care legislation almost certainly a sure thing. That, in turn, when have ignited a frenzy of liberal minded legislation from the Democrats intoxicated by such a victory. What happened instead has, at least for the moment, held back the health care legislation and probably has and will cause the Democrats to rethink where they stand with the people they're really suppose to represent and serve. Therefore, a wise and prudent Christian choice was to cast the vote for Brown recognizing the best outcome possible from the available choices. Nothing at all about doing that implies any support whatsoever for his views on abortion or homosexuality. Those battles must still be fought.

 

==I'm not sure why that makes a difference. Is abortion "not as bad" when the parents are notified in advance or the mother is required to wait for 24-hours? I'm not sure how that makes any difference. Opposing public funding of abortion is good, but it is not nearly enough. Abortion must end. While I don't believe that D.C. is the answer to the problem of abortion, I also don't believe electing proabortion candidates is a good idea.

==Again, I only replied to your points (what you said). If I misread what you said, I'm sorry. However the very idea that the election of Brown is "an answer to prayer" (your words) shocks me. Mainly when it comes from someone who has stood up against the sin of abortion.

 

==I was going to leave this point alone but, in retrospect, I think I need to address it.

First, in reference to the idea that I "ramble, and ramble, and ramble on". That is a very interesting choice of words since I was just responding to your post point-by-point. If that is rambling, then I guess I did ramble. But I tend to ramble on about things anyway...

Second, in reference to the "about nothingness" comment. I'm not sure how to take this. Are my points "nothingness" because they disagree with your statements? Or are my points "nothingness" because a point-by-point reply to your points was not necessary? Again, I'm really not sure how to understand your point here since I am certain you would agree that opposing abortion is not nothingness.

Third, in reference to the "mad" comment. I was not mad when I wrote the post. In fact, I am in a pretty good mood today. However I saw no reason to edit my thoughts on the subject. Amazement is the only word I can think of when I see so many conservative Christians cheering the election of Brown. Have we really sunk this low? Are we so desperate to defeat Obama's unconstitutional healthcare "reform" that we are willing to cheer the election of a proabortion candidate and then make excuses why his support of abortion is not as bad as others? Are we really in that bad of shape? I pray not.

Btw, I am glad to read that you would not have voted for Brown. However it does leave me a bit confused as to why you can think his election is an answer to prayer. Seems like a contradiction to me.

 

Martin sez:

And ( to get a bit on the ridiculous side - as I think your post is) would you have objected to the mighty drive by Gen. Patton across France using this same argument??

Good chance he was not a Christian, but I'm sure there were a lot of French PRAYING for relief from Germany. Would you consider it shocking if they saw Patton as the answer to their prayers.

C'mon Martin, you're palavering like a liberal that has been cornered & trying to weasel out of any straight answers when he knows he's wrong. Get back to your normal saneness - or have you flipped, like another board member that changes sides like like a butterfly changes directions.

 

==Not sure why you think I have "flipped" or "changed sides". If anything, I have become more conservative. I'm not weaseling out of anything. After all, I think I made my position very clear. I will not support any proabortion candidate, period. It does not matter what else they may say or do. There are certain deal breaker issues and abortion is one of them. When a candidate, of any party, says they support legal abortion they have just lost my support.

 

==I also oppose the unconstitutional healthcare "reform" proposed by Obama and the democrats. However I am by no means certain that Brown's election stops the take over of our healthcare. It may slow it down, but I doubt it will stop it. How long have the liberals been at this? I know it goes back to Clinton and probably further back. They will simply regroup and go at it again. My guess is they will try to split it up and by doing so get some Republican support.

==I am not going to try to say why God allowed Brown to win the election. What I will say, however, is that I can't see Brown's election as an answer to prayer. I worry that our nation is under judgment and that Brown's election, celebrated by some conservatives, is just another sign of the problem. Again, I wonder if we have really fallen so far down that we are willing to cheer a candidate who stands against so much of what we stand for.

==I don't blame you for Brown. However I am confused by your position in this thread.

 

Martin,
Originally I had not planned on throwing a dog into this 'fight' as I was only marginally enthused over the opposition this win represents to the course set by this current administration.

That said....... I think there has been some misinformation posted on the BB which may negatively fuel more discontent than encourage any forward movement in areas which may be positively turned around. I researched two of the candidate sites... the libertarian's and Scott Brown's and posted them HERE

 

God had no choice? That's a new one to me....

 

yeah..."God has no choice" is about as small a box as you can cram Him into here...

 

imo, and this is not a command from God....... (just for the record... for those who may seek such)..... if there are only 3 choices and they all are for abortion, but only one takes a stand to regulate, require parental notification, stop or prevent public funding, stop late term abortions.......... yes, that person would get my support in that particular popular election because of what differences these points represent.... although i would not give money nor campaign for any of the candidates as none of them represent my convictions against abortion. Also, if there is no other choice on marriage vs civil unions as all candidates except one are for marriage recognition whether between a man and a woman or the same sex..... but a third candidate is against marriage between the same sex but would consider a 'civil union' as distinct from calling it a 'marriage' for same sex and is the only one who supportS DOMA, there is a difference although its not much and not according to my convictions. But my vote would not be the end of it. I would let that candidate know of my grievances against his stand and I would try to seek out candidates who would better replace him in the future who are in agreement with my convictions and work to get them recognized and into office.

Like I indicated in other posts..... I'm not thrilled over this win.... but I am pleased that it shows this current administration that it has opposition regarding nationalizing health care under any name, and opposition to bail-outs and stimulus tax bribes to special interest (my interpretation as to who is getting the benefit at the expense of the people) and increased taxes and spending, abortion funding and giving sodomites marital status.

Those who vote are in a position to complain. Those who refuse.... can be blamed for doing nothing and the choices they let others make and for their own failure to run or get a candidate to run who supports their position.

Please note.... I'm not in Mass.... and to contest my position is immaterial at this point.

 

Martin sez:

Martin, after this post I'm through!

I have never questioned YOUR beliefs. My whole point from post #1 (of mine) to now, is that you attributed to RD2 things that HE did not state. Virtually all your response is indicative of RD2 approving Brown's election in spite of his abortion views, while all RD2 was saying was that he was happy that this guy was elected (please note) in contrast to other candidates because it stymied the HC bill; among other positive side effects

Now, calm down, cause nobody is trying to convince you to vote for an abortionist, or excuse a vote for an abortionist, or even talking about abortion.

RD2, and me, and many others, are very happy for this wrench that has been tossed into the gears of HC mania, and the ripples that have shaken up the liberals as a result.

If you don't feel thankful for these effects, then DON'T THANK GOD, but apparently many of us do, and we do thank God; that's your choice, and if you want to chew me out for THAT, then feel free.

But don't come chewing on me ( or RD2 ) for something that you have imagined.

I'm outta here!

 

==I'm not "chewing" on anyone. If trying to have a discussion on a discussion board is wrong, then I guess I am wrong. As for you, I did not address you. My post was addressed to RD2. You involved yourself in this.

 

The moral relativism by the so-called cons is amazing. And amusing.