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Bush Expected to Veto 'Hate Crimes' Bill

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by carpro, May 3, 2007.

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  1. tragic_pizza

    tragic_pizza New Member

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    Unproven personal attack.
     
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    Make the first step towards what? I propose clarifying what God's word plainly states verses towards modifying it to suit what some would like it to say.
     
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  3. tragic_pizza

    tragic_pizza New Member

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    I see.

    So only if another Christian is in lockstep with your specific understanding of all the minutae of Scriptural interpretations are they really Christians, huh?

    You cannot see, I bet, how completely hypocritical and incorrect that particular view is, can you?
     
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  4. tragic_pizza

    tragic_pizza New Member

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    I am in agreement.

    I think knowing what Scripture says in its totality is very important.
     
    #44 tragic_pizza, May 14, 2007
  5. underscoretim

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    Since when is the opposite of Mistreating someone, putting then on a pedestal?
     
    #45 underscoretim, May 14, 2007
  6. Dragoon68

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    Is there something about these specific scriptures quoted that you believe need clarification beyond what they obviously proclaim?
     
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    Then you should have no problem with the key verses that address the matter of homosexuality.
     
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    There is no advocacy here for "mistreating" anyone. There is only advocacy to prevent further recognition and acceptance of behavior that is contrary to God's law by equating it to other categories that have no parallel; and to encourage that we not continue the trend towards usurping the power of the people and the states by further expanding the role of the federal government in matters already covered by law.
     
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    This is not minutiae this is, thus saith the Lord.
     
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    Unless they do not.
     
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    Therein is the basis of the misunderstanding some have and that misunderstanding is key for those who desire further recognition and acceptance of homosexuality. Fortunately, God's word is clear on the matter!
     
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    Unless the misunderstanding isn't mine.
     
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    It's not a personal attack at all, but I can see you don't want to deal fairly with the subject.

    Anyone that is in favor of so-called "hate crimes" legislation is not interested in equal justice under the law at all.
     
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  14. tragic_pizza

    tragic_pizza New Member

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    That is a lie.

    You should attack the argument, not the person.
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Sorry. It's the truth. You're just so wrapped up in promoting an agenda that you can't see it.
     
    #55 carpro, May 14, 2007
  16. tragic_pizza

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    Prove it. Or apologize for a personal attack.
     
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    Carpro is exactly right tp, you have been fooled by the propaganda of the left.
     
    #57 hillclimber1, May 14, 2007
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    Why don't you put aside your agenda and try dealing with the subject for a change?



    http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/index...ual_protection

    equal protection: an overview

    The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from denying any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. See U.S. Const. amend. XIV

    (http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html).

    In other words, the laws of a state must treat an individual in the same manner as others in similar conditions and circumstances. A violation would occur, for example, if a state prohibited an individual from entering into an employment contract because he or she was a member of a particular race. The equal protection clause is not intended to provide "equality" among individuals or classes but only "equal application" of the laws. The result, therefore, of a law is not relevant so long as there is no discrimination in its application. By denying states the ability to discriminate, the equal protection clause of the Constitution is crucial to the protection of civil rights.

    SNIP (However)

    The 14th amendment is not by its terms applicable to the federal government. Actions by the federal government, however, that classify individuals in a discriminatory manner will, under similar circumstances, violate the due process of the fifth amendment.
    __________________
     
    #58 carpro, May 14, 2007
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    The only reason the previous verses listed with regards to homosexuality do not refer to homosexuality is when you need to condone homosexuality.
     
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  20. tragic_pizza

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    Unless you;re wrong.
     
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