Bush unworthy of the Christian vote

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves but you probably are proud of yourselves.

Bush is better than Kerry and better than the Bush-hating Peroutka. Let's face it, CP, hatred is not the basis of government.

 

We should be ashamed of ourselves for exposing the erroneous ways of the GOP, and not bowing down to George W Bush?

I have not seen any hate coming out of the Constitution Party, although I have seen lots of hatred directed towards the Christian brothers and sisters who support Michael Peroutka and the Constitution Party.

 

This is America. Everyone should vote their conscience. After all, we have to look at ourselves in the mirror. If you truly believe someone will make a better president, even if another thinks you are throwing your vote away or as good as voting for Kerry, vote for that person.

And we can thank ALL the heroes past and present for giving us this opportunity. Thank you--all who have served in our military!!!!

 

Bush and the GOP will never get a fair shake from the CP--they are biased. Why waste your vote on the Libertarians who have no chance of winning? It is the same as voting for Kerry!

The CP is not anyone's Christian brother or sister because they have nothing but harsh words for people who disagree with them. Witness the hatchet job that Peroutka did on Medved. Self-appointed Christian brothers and sisters should show Christianity in debate and not repeat baseless charges over and over. What you really show is anti-intellectualism. You are unable to absorb or address the intellectual points of others.

 

One question CMG - who will you vote for in 2008 if it is Specter vs Clinton?

BTW - I have never called anyone a "vote waster" or any other name for supporting Bush. All I want is the right to differ without being attacked.

 

Until we can get a third party to be strong enough to win we have to go with the least of teh evils. Let's say by some wild chance a third party wins the White House. He may as well just sit back and watch TV for 4 years. It is doubtful that either party will help him do much. He will need support in Congress. Look at the quaqmire we have in the Senate. No judges have been appointed because the Repubs do not have a clear majority. Everything the House passes (Rep majority) gets killed in the Senate. Get 40 Consitution Party folks elected as Senators and a 100 in the House and you might do something. Otherwise the hope of getting a thrid party President and having him accomplish anything is a drug induced dream.

 

So with that logic, and my scenario, would Specter get your vote?

 

Over Hillary? Without a doubt. I seriously doubt there would be anyone to beat either one of them. In many places there are candidates running unopposed. These would be the best places to start running third party candidates to get them noticed and probably even in the seat. Start at your local government and work your way up. Y'all are trying to build a house from the roof down versus the foundation up.

Ideally, we vote every Democrat out and smash the party completely. Then build a strong party to challenge the Repubs. Check the history. The Repubs only got a chance when the Whigs died. Otherwise we would have still be voting Demoocrat or Whigs today. Crush one. Raise up the opposition. Anything else is a waste of time and energy.

 

I'm not trying anything - simply voting my conscience.

Will do so again in '08 if it were a race like Specter vs. Clinton.

 

For your assumption to be true then the Constitution Party would have no candidates running for any other offices other than President. There are many candidates across the country running for city, county and federal offices at every level.

We are building a house from the groud up, but without a presidential candidate, we would be building the house in secret. We need to have candidates at every level, but it would do no good to have 10,000 candidates in local offices that no one ever heard of. Having a presidential candidate gives the party the publicity and name recongition it needs to help build the party.

 

Many folks have tried to impress upon these third partiers to take this approach, but they seem to want to start at the top!

How many people have said they never heard of these third parties til they saw the names on this BB? If y'all are so hepped up on getting recognition, advertise, campaign, politic locally, so the name is at least familiar to people.

If y'all make good inroads locally, then name recognition will automatically follow, you won't need a presidential candidate. But if you do have one, his name will be known, not like it is now!

 

Then Christians might just as well abandon the process and stay home. What good is it if you commit to voting for evil candidates?

 

This topic has already been discussed on another thread. Why is it that cross posting has become more common lately? It becomes very frustrating as a poster to comment on one thread, and then find that the exact same topic is being discussed elsewhere. For this reson, the moderators frown on cross-posting. I know this board has grown a bit as of late, but let's at least make an attempt to motior ourselves in regards to cross-posting to the mods don't have to. Their job is hard enough as it is withough us making it mroe difficult.

 

So the key to success now is for the Republicans to determine who the Democrats are going to run, then pick someone just not quite as liberal.

Fantastic strategy!!

 

I, for one, would like to encourage the CP to continue this very same strategy of failure. It will protect us from the Pacifist, anti-tax cuts, anti-Israel, pseudo-Christian party from ever taking power. It is like trying to build the roof, the walls, and the foundation all at the same time. This proves the CP has no clue how to effectively run this nation, and doesn't deserve a chance to mess it up.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph,

There are many CP candidates at locas, state, and federal levels.

The CP is not pacifist. Can you show otherwise from their writings?

The CP is for limited government, which would result in huge tax cuts. That is in their writigs.

The CP is not anti-Israel. Can you show otherwise from their writings?

Most of the CP members and candidates have a clear Christian testimony, and their very platform explicitly submits to the lordship of Jesus Christ. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

You don't have to support or like the CP if you don't want to, but you really should apologize for lying abou them.

 

I see the "Coalition Against Bush" is hard at work. Their fruits might produce John Kerry as President.

 

Notice how it's becoming increasingly obvious that the Bushies know they have no reasonable or Biblical basis for their position, so all they can do is attack the CP. In this thread alone, several legitimate issues have been raised concerning W's positions. How many have been addressed by the Bushies? None. Not a single one. Very sad state of Christianity in our nation today.

 

Maybe that would wake up the Republicans and bring them back to the right.

 

If one only looks at what the majority of CP supporters on this board have written on the issues, it is easy to see that exactly the opposite of what you say is true:

1. The CP has been so anti-war the entire time, it is surprising to see you try to deny this. They are for retreating like cowards and turning Iraq over to Saddam again.

2. I have seen the supporters of Peroutka state they think Clinton was more fiscally responsible than Bush on the economy and criticize his tax cuts. There is only one thing I remember Clinton doing with the economy inn 1993, I believe, and that was the largest tax increase in 20 years.

3. CP supporters on this very board have asserted that Israel tricked America into fighting their war in Iraq for them, posted articles by anti-semites such as Buchannan, Sobran, and Raimondo who tried to assert that Israel was behind 9-11, and other wild anti-semitic accusations.

4. I disagree. The CPer's explicitly submits to the Lordship of the Constitution of the United States. It has, IMO, become their Bible and their god.

Joseph Botwinick