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"...but not for himself...."

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by robycop3, Jan 16, 2006.

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  1. robycop3

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    Daniel 9:26, KJV"....And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:..."

    I have seen umpteen renderings of this phrase within this verse. Although the KJV rendering makes the most sense within the overview of all Scripture, is it the MOST CORRECT rendering, or were the translators working from hindsight, with the New Tastament, which was not available to Daniel, before them?

    I cannot find even a rabbi who can clarify the Hebrew. But then I remember they're still expecting Messiah for the FIRST TIME.
     
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    Dan 9:26 (Geneva Bible, 1587):
    And after threescore and two weekes,
    shall Messiah be slaine, and shall haue nothing,, ...

    (yes, the two commas (,,) are there in e-sword)
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, Jan 16, 2006
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    Yes, Daniel 9:26 should read: Messiah shall be cut off but not for himself (not for him, but for us).
    "not for himself" should not be Italic because it is a part of the regular Bible.

    Thanks to Ed, I learned Third Millenium Bible translates that way also.

    Masorah :
    Icaret Mashiah veain lo.

    Literal translation : Messiah will be cut off but not for Him.

    Other versions translate "and have nothing" which is not impossible but have problems :
    Lo- for him,
    Ain : nothing
    Where is Hai verb then ? because it is future tense. For present tense it could be omitted.
    Moreover it is not smoothy connection with the previous subject.

    Many versions misunderstand and mistranslate it, except KJV, NKJV, Webster and Third Millenium, as far as I know.
     
    #3 Eliyahu, Jan 23, 2006
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    Also, in the overview, it seems to be the most logical rendering, since that's what happened to Jesus.
     
    #4 robycop3, Jan 24, 2006
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