C.H. Spurgeon and election

I doubt you have known all Calvinists because I have known some who do not share their faith and others who wonder if they are saved.

 

Even Calvin hismself wrote that if his theology were taken too far it would cause trouble.

If you believe everything some Calvinists attribute to Calvin then you would not pray and share your faith. Their opinion is that there is no need.

 

Instead of saying nasty things about him , why not read him for yourself -- then I can expect you to be honest and retract your unfounded remarks .

Give me direct quotes of what you charge him with .

I am not obligated to believe what some Calvinists say about Calvin .( Or who you claim are Calvinists ) .My beliefs come from the Bible . Do you understand that ?

 

The disease is spreading . I do not base my biblical views on what John Calvin wrote . I do not consult him before I post to see if we "line up" .

I know the way , the TRUTH and the life . Christ is not an obstacle in my way -- He is my God , Savior and Guide .

Stop with your nastiness . If you object to something I espouse get specific -- back it up with what you think the Bible states on the matter and go from there .

 

I cannot say that I follow a man such as Calvin and attribute my theology to him but rather a serious study of God and his word.

If your beliefs are from the Bible then why call your self a Calvinist? Calvin is just a man. I do not find Calvin in the Bible. Unless you have a different translation that I do my Bible commands me to folow Christ. No man can serve two masters. How can you call yourself a Calvinist and a Christian? Calvin is a man and Christ is God. There is a huge difference.

I own all Calvin's commentaries and both volumes of the Institutes.

That is how I can write from knowledge rather ignorance.

Have you read any of Calvin's works? Or have you read and listened to what others said about him? It is amazing what is attributed to Calvin that he did not write.

 

I do not follow Calvin , but Christ . I do not attribute my theology to him . The Bible is my source . John Calvin was one such man that God caused to raised up for the benefit of His Kingdom .

I serve Christ , not Calvin . I call myself a Christian . I am secondarily a Calvinist . That identifies my theological orientation . I don't believe I have to explain myself to the extent that I have for someone who has been on the BB as long as you have .

 

This I find to be incredible . You own "all" of Calvin's commentaries as well as The Institutes . Yet you speak so unintelligently about the issue . You defame the man and abhor the doctrines he taught . With your attitude why don't you burn his works ?!

 

My books are scattered to the winds .Here in South Korea I have a few of his works . His Institutes are back in the States .

Yes , I have read books and articles by men who are scholars deal with Calvin . ( It's very different than the websites which debase him so with no remorse .)

Yes , it is amazing what is attributed to Calvin that which he did not write or preach . Have you been guilty of the same ?

 

Very true and great post.

 

Hopefully being a Baptist is never the same thing as following the teachings of a man. It does seem to be getting more and more that way though. It seems that people are following men more and more rather than studying the Bible for themselves and following Christ.

I am not at all defined by "Baptist" but I am defined by being a Christian. I do not follow Mr. Baptist (whoever that is) but Christ . I have never preached being a Baptist nor taught it, but Christ. I have never taught what Baptists believe but what the Bible teaches. They should be the same but they are not always. Over the years I have shared Christ with people who claim to be Baptist but are not a believer. Some were even members of a Baptist church. Baptists vary a lot in doctrine. Some are charismatic while others are legalistic. I pastored a church once that had a regular practice of inviting the Mormon bishop teach. The Bible makes it quite clear what a Christian is but not what a Baptist is. I do not see anywhere in the Bible where it says to follow "Baptists" but Christ.

Interestingly the only place in the world where I was lregularly abelled as a Baptist was in the south.

 

All I can say is, :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Really, I laughed out loud when I read this. I'm not laughing at you my sister. Those of us who hold to what is called the doctrines of grace, especially in this day and age, derived them from the Scriptures. At least I did. I have Calvin's works. Many of them in fact. I have not read most of them, but what I have read shows him to be a brillant theologian.

Have you read his writings? If not, why would you be so quick to use his writings in a negative manner?

 

I'm a Baptist. Whoohoo!

 

I agree biut we must also remember he was smart enough to recognize the shortcomings of his own theology if carried too far. Some do not seem to recognize though.

 

You misread my post.
I will assume it was because I was not clear and I will hopefully clear up what I meant.

I said you must believe in election t believe the Bible because the Bible teaches election.
Now, you do not have to believe exactly as Spurgeon did ON election but you can't deny the word is there.

Just like baptism. You can't believe in the Bible and not believe in Baptism. You may believe in sprinkling or you may believe in immersion but you must believe in some form of baptism or you don't believe the Bible.

back to election, I didn't not say that you must believe as I do on the subject to be a bible believer.
However, you must believe election is true in some form because the Bible talks about it.

Rippon, see my explanation above. You may not have seen it. If you had, you would not say I over stepped.

 

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Interestingly enough, those who had this statement spoken to them did not even believe Moses, or they would have believed Christ.

It is also significant to note these same are said by Christ to NOT have the word of God in themselves therefore they do not believe in him whom God has sent.

Look it up and correct me, but I believe the Bible teaches even our believing is 'the work' of God; check John 6.

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