California Same-S*x "Marriage"

That's real "Christian" of ya.

 

The fact that God will judge a nation for any sin should drive us to our knees in godly fear.

 

We Agree

My wife and I were part of the 67% of Californians that voted for the "No Marriage" on same sex partners. This is another reason we have become discouraged with voting. We vote for Initiatives, only to have the Initiatives overturned.

I do believe that the Christian's in California are organized, and we will overturn this recent court action.

If gays want to be a couple, I say let them do their thing. BUT, leave OUR sacred covenant of marriage ALONE. This opinion does not mean we approve of homosexuality. However, we know we can't force them to change. Believe me...my daughter is a lesbian. I have expressed my views to her, but she does as she wills. Therefore, we have very little [and I mean very little] contact.

I blame my ex-wife for her [daughters] life style choice, as my ex is bi-sexual.

Pray for Californians to overturn this sinful court action...but, don't pray for an earthquake, those things really "shake" me up.

Pastor Paul :type:

 

Do you honestly believe that God does not send judgment upon countries?
The Bible is full of instances where God sends Judgment.

I am not judging people, that is God's doing...

But as a minister, I have the duty to judge sin.
To proclaim sin as sin, and to warn people of the consequences of sin.

Some sin have its own consequences built in... Alcoholism comes with liver disease.... needle sharing comes with hepatitis or HIV... Homosexualism and other forms of extra marital sex comes with STDs... And I will add that destroying the Ozone comes with skin Cancer.....

But sometimes God acts apart from the built in consequences....
Israel was captured by Babylon because they were disobedient.
Obviously, Sodom and Gomorah...
Someone was struck with leprosy because they smarted off Moses...
Ananias and his wife were struck dead because they lied to the church...
Paul even says when he was explaining the last supper that because of taking it disrespectfully was the cause of people's death...
John writes of the future in Revelation, and we see God pouring out his wrath all over the earth....

So why should we think that God will spare San Francisco of judgment, when it is the most flamboyant of all cities in the US over homosexuality?....

I really hope and pray the state will wake up in time before God says, "I've been patient all this time... now vengence is mine"

Sin has consequences, and yes, God uses nature to bring them about.

The Bible makes it plain... sin brings death.

 

Nowadays???? No.

 

When did He stop?
Are we in some sorta pause until Revelation comes along?

What scripture can you use to support the idea that God does not send catastrophies to pass judgment.. or even to get people's attention...

 

This is 2008, not some Old Testament era.

Look, we will simply have to metaphorically shake hands and agree to disagree on this subject, brother Tim.

 

He evidently stopped with you. And me. I guess our sins aren't that bad huh?

 

You make alot of good points here. Except the comparisons, imo.

It isn't that bad, nothing like Soddom and Gommorah imo.

Can't see the Lord ordering it's destruction, too many righteous people.

My cousin and I stayed the night in S.F about 3 yrs ago due to her yearly work party. She was newly divorced, and staying with us at the time. She begged me to go as her date so I broke down and agreed. Normally, I avoid S.F. We spent time in the fancy hotel and in an upscale restaurant nearby where the party was held. Surprisingly enough, it was alot of fun. We walked the streets a little, not much. Everyone seemed fine, though there were certainly more gay people around us than usual. You just talk to them like you would talk to anyone. Can't recall any odd behavior offhand.

S.F. events attract much attention due to the public nudity and perverted behavior. Yet most of the time, imo, it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

 

so...how much perversion is an "acceptable" amount?

I know you're not justifying sinful behavior...but your post sounds like you're rationalizing. I doubt you meant to be taken that way...but that is how it sounds...

 

None

Ok, I had better clarify. Regarding Sodom and Gommorah, the city was destroyed because there was only one righteous person, Lot.

San Francisco, I believe, has a Baptist Seminary. There are godly people in S.F.

This is not intended to justify their sin, but to point out that I don't believe the Lord will destroy the city. It's sad to hear things like there should be an earthquake in our area.

Openly gay couples, in my book, are also pushing a "lesser form" of child molestation. Pushing a perversion, that what is unnatural, onto innocent children.

 

I was thinking the same thing.

The more you are around, know of, or observe sin, the more comfortable you become with it.

Notice the progression; getting a little more tolerant of evil bit by bit?

We are all guilty; otherwise society would not be wallowing in the dregs of immorality that is so common today.

 

In the poll I voted that marriage is none of the government's business - it should be left up the churches to handle - and that the people of California will vote to amend their state constitution to handle this ruling by four justices.

 

Joe, thanks for the clarification.