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Calvinist? Yes or No?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by InTheLight, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. InTheLight

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    We had a guest speaker on Sunday. Near the end of his sermon he gave a simple way to look at God's sovereignty, the Christian's duty, and the unbeliever's responsibility. Take a look at this clip and let me know if you think this is Calvinistic theology or if it is "free will" theology, and why.

    Immediately upon clicking the link you should turn on the sound, otherwise you'll need to rewind.

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  2. JonShaff

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    He does Not sound Calvinistic due to the fact he said, "You do whatever it takes to get them to say 'Yes'."
     
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    I've heard Calvinists say similar things, Paul Washer comes to mind.
     
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    Just from the clip, he could be either.
     
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    Good point

    I will say this, there are soooooo many people making this the thrust of their messages...being intentional with Sharing the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus with Words. I get several opportunities a month, outside of pulpit ministry, to share a message and God has put a burning desire in my heart to Encourage His Church to get back to personal, One on One evangelism/soul winning.

    I believe God is wanting His Church to get a hold of this (He always has).
     
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    He's no Calvinist - they like to connect the dots.

    Rob
     
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    HA HA HA HA!! Awesome answer.
     
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    He does mention "..save them from the fire." which might indicate more than a simple "share to Gospel" act because there is a passion tied to that act. The parable of the banquet in Luke 14:23 might be taken into account here, as the command is to compel or urge people to come in. That being said and IMHO, this is split down the middle. Perhaps there are better texts to represent the dots...

    Dot 1- Ephesians 1:1-14?
    Dot 2- Matthew 28:19-20?
    Dot 3- John 6:44-47?
     
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    How can we tell?

    Calvinism and 'free will' theology (however you are defining that) are two points in a spectrum of soteriological beliefs. To try and define where someone stands on that spectrum from such a short exert is to asking to be made a fool - A Calvinist could say that (A hyper Calvinist could not), a classical Arminian could also say it, a modern day synergist might struggle to say those things unless he means something different when he uses terms like 'election' and that is the point - many could say what he said - but would they all be saying the same thing (or meaning the same thing)?
     
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    This may sound odd to some, but is there no such animal as a Calvinist preacher who pleads with the unsaved to repent? Is he flirting with the synergistic line in the sand if he does so?
     
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    Look at evangelization this way, Calvinists may stress the soveriegnty of God but they still look both ways before they cross the street.

    Rob
     
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    Every genuine Calvinist preacher pleads with the unsaved to repent

    No, he is obeying the word of God.
     
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    He is speaking about sharing the gospel, so obviously the message was free will.
     
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    Can you expound this a little?
     
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    From what little there is, I would at this point deny a free will aspect to what he states, as he makes it clear that God is Sovereign and He is the one that saves. Our "dot," being employed of God in the process, doesn't deny God's Sovereignty. It is true that God saves, yet He has chosen to save in response to the Gospel itself, and while we know men are not absolutely necessary (one can be saved hearing the Gospel on TV or Radio, for example), that is the typical means by which God has communicated revelation (through men).

    Again, not enough to make a determination, but I would not say he is free will based on the clip.


    God bless.
     
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    Come on, we all know Calvinists don't cross the street...


    God bless.
     
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