Can a christian be divorced from a non-believer & remain a christian?

rjprince wrote.....As far as children being sexually abused, that would be included under "fornication". The word "porneia" is a very broad Greek word encompassing a great variety of sexual sins, certainly including pedophilia.

Very good point why didn't I think of that

 

Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

Why would anyone who had tasted of the Grace of God be mindful of the old life and desire to go back?

Do we not already sin enough in the flesh to know that we have no desire to return to a carnal condition?

Having been born of the eternal Spirit, through which Christ presented himself through, how do we become unborn?

Having been brought out of death and into life, how would we either desire to die again, in spritual death, or how could we accomplish this when we could not even bring ourselves to the birth?

Now, about twisting Hebrews 6, does vs. 4 not say "IF" it were possible for them to fall away, and then vs. 6 says if they shall fall away it is impossible to renew them again unto repentance, so, have your ability to be lost again, just don't expect to have any more opportunity of repentance, because Christ is then crucified afresh, and it is thereby that He is put to an open shame.

All the above is straight from Heb. 6, without twisting, adding or deleting, just presenting the words as God inspired the Apostle.

Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

rjprince,
You do make a great point. Paul points out the distinction between his words and that he received from the Lord.

Bro. Dallas

 

Thanks FM and RFW.

 

Frogman...... I've already delt with HEB 6 with Frances and she has chosen to ignor the truth.
Here is what I wrote...

Frances.....I explained to you both HEB. 6 and why TRUE Christians have Assurance of Salvation you have rejected Gods word. I hate to say it but you are much in the position of those in HEB 6.

HEB 6 explained
Lets look at a few words and what they mean.

ENLIGHTENED: Intellectual understanding

TASTED: Enjoyed his word, experenced Gods wonders

FALLEN AWAY: From adherence to realities and facts of the faith.

IMPOSSIBLE: Incapable of existing or taking place.

REPENTANCE: Right relationship with God.

The author of Hebrews is talking to Christians, but as we all know there are those who think they are SAVED and they go to church ( even Baptist churches ), they try to do good on their own, all the while thinking they are one of us. This was the same in those days.
He was speaking to Christians on MATURING in Christ HEB.6: 1-3 then further down Heb. 6:7, he's talking about their FRUITS and REWARDS. At the same time he addressed those ( he says "for in the case of those" ) who were NOT SAVED and told them that they had tasted and were partakers of the word and all that Christ had to " OFFER " them but if they fell away ( walked away from God and the church ) that it would be impossible to be brought back EVEN IF they wanted to. Since they basically had their chance to repent and be saved.If you reject with such full light, how could you ever be saved? See the point?
That they would just be mocking Christ and what he did on the cross. Christ died once and for all, not over and over again. He then goes on to show the FRUITS of those who are truly saved and those who are not.

HEB.6:7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls upon it brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

MATT. 7:16 By their fruits you shall know them

 

Wow Frances!

I thought it was a friendly discussion, now Im not even really a Christian! lol

The Bible clearly teaches that there will be rewards given in heaven and we will cast our crowns at Jesus' feet. It also clearly teaches that our works will be judged, and those things that were dross will be burned up, while those things that were worthwhile will stand.

Frances, I think you said too that Satan can snatch us out of God's hand if we allow him to? Wouldn't that mean that Satan is more powerful than God if he gets a little help from us?

No one, not Satan, not you, and not me, and not anyone else, can take us out of God's hand, just like the Bible says.

 

Christians are still sinners. Christians are just forgiven sinners.

 

Dear Frances,
I Corinthians 3: 10-15 and 2 Corinthians 5: 1-10 address the subject of rewards. The passages are NOT talking about doing good works to gain salvation.

Karen

 

In regards to divorce for abuse, we need to see the Bible as a whole. We are to love God with all our heart, soul, and strength and love our neighbor as ourself. If you love God, you aren't going to beat your spouse. If you stay married to that spouse (even though you are seperaed) that's not what God meant by marriage. God tells us that as marriage partners we are to cleave to each other. How can you do that when you are seperated? You can't. Can can two walk together if they aren't agreed? They can't. Maybe beating on your spouse wasn't prevelant back then, but God did give us a 6th sense -- common sense. Is it common sense to be united to someone who is killing you? No. It doesn't. As a latin woman, this line of thinking is why there is so much violence in our culture. It's because we are told that God wants it that way - for us to stay connected to a man who can and very well could kill you if he gets the chance. What are we suppose to do? Pray that our spouse dies so that we can move on? Heaven forbid!
It's different when you want to divorce for personality issues. We ALL have personality issues so divorcing your spouse on those grounds are a no-no. You're going to have to deal with that personality again, so might as well work it out. But regarding abuse, I don't see why people have such a hard time. As a loving parent, if your child and grandchildren were getting beat down, would you actually tell him/her to stay married? You wouldn't. Why would God? Until you actually see a pregnant woman barefoot running down the street to escape her crazed husband with a knife in his hands, abuse is something you might not understand. I thank God I've been protected from it and that I have an awesome God fearing man. But what about the other women? The new trend is for suburbian men abusing their wives. What can you tell them? Pray and hope you don't get killed? God is LOVE. Love doesn't do that kind of thing. It just doesn't.

 

Frances

Yes

 

I'm confused. Are you saying, yes, pray you don't get killed and stay married?
I don't want to misread you.

 

There are two permissible reasons for divorce:

Adultery (fornication by one of the spouses)
Abandonment of the covenant (aka, desertion). Most often is when a spouse literally leaves the home to separate him/herself from the marriage. But abandonment can also be committed by a person who physically remains in teh home, but has abandoned the covenant. Alcohol and drug abuse are good examples. Spousal abuse is another. In these actions, a spouse abandons the marriage covenant in favor of something else.

But, in your title, you asked "Can a christian be divorced from a non-believer & remain a Christian?" Divorce is not a litmus test for one's salvation. One can be a Christian and a bigamist, abuser, and cheater, albeit that person will probably a lousy eample of Christianity.

 

Frances

Yes, a christian be divorced from a non-believer & remain a christian.

I did not realize the thread had drifted from divorce and remaining a Christian to killing a spouse. I pray this clears up the confusion.