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Can a "good" Jew be a good American?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by reformedbeliever, May 1, 2007.

  1. Alcott

    Alcott Well-Known Member
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    History has shown that the gospel can flourish with or without government alliance or enmity therewith. So I'm not all that concerned about it. If the government (any branch, any level) is in "friendship" with my faith, okay; if it is in enmity, I'll tell those who support such a policy to shove it up their butts.
     
  2. amity

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    And so what exactly is the difference? Blasphemy was always punished by death in Christian nations, too. I don't care about the name, I just care about the reality. And you might be surprised if you looked up the truly official name of Great Britain, etc.

    You are obviously confusing Islam with "Muslims." The Koran is pretty specific that civilians are not to be killed, nor are crops to be damaged, etc. I think we have had this discussion already several times, but don't pin what some of the more extreme Christians do on Christianity, either!
     
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    There is a man that speaks and covers all ends. :laugh: :laugh:
     
  4. amity

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    Yes, but this was never a Christian nation. It was the world's very first secular nation, in fact.
     
  5. Brother Bob

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    With a heavy heavy Christian infuence!!

    Also, at one time Rome had Christianty as a State Religion.
     
  6. amity

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    With a POPULATION that at one time was overwhelmingly Christian, in name at least.

    There never was much Christian influence on the institutions of State, really.

    See here for article on state religions:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion
     
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  7. Brother Bob

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    Really, look at our money, Look at the Constitution, Look at the History of the early leaders of this Nation. They all looked to God for support.
     
  8. amity

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    Well, Brother Bob, we just had this discussion elsewhere on this board. I think the title had something about freemasonry in it. "God" becomes a pretty nebulous term when it appears on money, etc., next to all that freemason imagery. And the language in the Constitution is pretty much Deist. Andit is hard to pin most of the founding fathers down on religion, exactly, except that most were pretty vocal Deists.
     
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    The first colony of English-speaking Europeans was Jamestown, settled in 1609 for trade, not religious freedom. Fewer than half of the 102 Mayflower passengers in 1620 were "Pilgrims" seeking religious freedom.

    The Baptist themselves didn't play much if any role in our early government.

    I agree about the freemason imagery.
     
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    Back on topic, Can a "good" Jew be a good American? Here's one good American Jew:

    From answers.com:



    But let's fast forward and research just how many Jews in America versus how many muslims in America have made significant documented positive contributions to the USA in the areas of medicine, science, and other inventions, or military service, shall we?
     
  11. amity

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    They JUST got here, LE.
     
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    Do you still live in the Dark Ages? Your logic is askew.
    Do you want to bring back the Inquisition? Is your logic: What was "right" for the Catholic Church in the time of Spanish Inquistion is right for Islam in the 21st century. Is that what you are saying? Is that what the word "always" means?

    In what nation, other than Islamic, is blasphemy punishable by death? Do you mean to say that Americans are burned at the stake if they curse!! I think you would have to execute 99% of your population. Are you the sole judge and executor of this one Amity??
    The Bible is specific on a lot of things. That doesn't mean that Christians follow them all. In fact 1John 2:1 says: "I write unto you that you sin not..." Do you sin? You have a problem don't you?
    Just because the Koran says it, doesn't mean it is followed.
    Islam is a violent religion. The Koran, its sacred Scriptures, command its followers to kill infidels: idolaters, Jews, and all those who believe in the trinity. It is very specific about the trinity. Islam has a hatred for the Jew and for those who believe in the trinity. Take your Koran and do a search on it sometime. Kill, destroy--some of the key words used against Christians in the Koran.

    Islam-Literally, “submission to the will of Allah.”


    Moslem (Muslim)-A follower of Mohammad. Literally, “one who submits.”

    I am not the one who is confused.
     
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    DHK, you obviously have not read a single thing I have posted, or followed any of my links, so i am not wasting time on you anymore. If you just need someone to hate, then Muslims are about as rational of a target as anyone else.
     
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    I don't hate anyone. I hate a demon-inspired religion that sends people to Hell and sends their children strapped with bombs to them, only to blow themselves up in the name of their religion. Is that what you would do with your children?
     
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