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Featured Can one hold to non Biblical views on the Trinity and yet be saved?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    or is it if you miss the very nature of God, have a fake One?

    For Oneness pentacostals, and those holding to Modualism do not have real God, correct?
     
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    Why not just focus on telling people how they can be saved rather than trying to evaluate who is/is not saved?
     
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    Believing in the trinity is a choice! Since you don't believe in free will choices, your question is obviously a trick question and I'm not playing!! In your soteriology if God selects one for salvation He will make you believe in the trinity!!
     
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    AMEN! :applause::applause:
     
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    Because salvation is a serious matter and we should determine what false doctrine might prevent it. Also, although the op used some examples, he wasn't necessarily focusing on individuals, or individual groups.
     
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    Belief in the trinity isn't necessary for one to become a believer - the trinity is basically humanly impossible to fully comprehend and only partially comprehended by the believers.

    However, there isn't a believer who does not grow into an experiential understanding of the working aspects of the trinity in their ways.

    As I have grown from old to ancient, I can no better express the trinity than when I was young and strong, however, there is no end to the witness of the trinity at work throughout my life.
     
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    In your soteriology God selects one for salvation so there is no false doctrine that can resist divine regeneration, so why would you worry about it?
     
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    What we know isn't a matter of our salvation.

    Saying that someone has to believe, or know, some specific set of doctrinal criteria in order to be saved is Gnosticism and that is not Christian. Christianity is about what you know.

    Now we can say that once someone is saved they should acquire proper, or orthodox, beliefs as part of their sanctification. However, what we know isn't part of our justification.

    We don't have knowledge imputed to us at justification, we have Christ's righteousness imputed into us.
     
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    I'll second what Aged Man and Preachin' Jesus said.

    In my own words, 'There is no entrance exam past honest faith'.
     
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    United Pentecostal Church modualists I would not be so sure of. Their form of modaulism comes with a whole host of extra Biblical requirements for salvation such as their formula for baptism and requirement that you be baptized in their church tradition alone much like the Church of Christ cultists. Their "jesus" is not my Jesus. Same goes for the Mormons and JW's. Their Jesus is patently false and couldn't save a flea from hell. But, others modualist I think are just trying to make the Trinity fit into a logical box which leads them into making an error. They misread the Trinity but not the finished work of Jesus on the cross. Their Jesus is my Jesus.
     
  11. Yeshua1

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    NOT a trick question, not asking to have this answered from arm/cal views!

    just asking, if one denied a cardival truth liek trinity, wouldn't they have a wrong view on God, thus NOT same jesus/Holy spirit/God, not holding to real gospel?

    Modualism denies that God has 3 seperate persons, so they follow wrong god, and Oneness folks have Jesus alone as being God, and requirements added to be baptized in spirit, and in water in name of jesus only, to get saved!
     
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    I don't agree. The bible never says that a person has to understand the Godhead to be saved. It takes repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, period.
     
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    Well, it is an academic question but IMO it deserves an answer.

    Jesus said:

    John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.​

    After which they tried to stone Him for blasphemy.
    They knew right well what He was claiming.

    He also said
    John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.​

    Notice the he following the I am. It is italicised because it is not in the original text, so Jesus could be saying that unless they believed He was/is the I AM then they would die in their sin.​

    Granted that leaves room for modalism. However as a Trinitarian I believe it for what it seems to be saying...​

    Unless we eventually come to the realization that Jesus is the Word made flesh then we are not saved.​

    This causes an ontological problem... what if one who claims to be a Christian dies before they come to that realization? ​

    The bottom line in this view is that one who has truly been regenerated but has no idea what the Trinity is or means (such as a child) is saved nonetheless and will eventually come to that realization even if they pass away without it (then they will realize that wonderful fact when they see Him face-to-face).

    There is probably a core seed of this belief in anyone who has been convicted of their sin and taught their need of a "divine" Savior by the Spirit of God even without an iterated definition of the Trinity.


    HankD​
     
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    I agree! I also believe that God will lead His children to the truth if they are willing!
     
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    "Let not conscience make you linger,
    Not of fitness fondly dream;
    All the fitness He requireth
    Is to feel your need of Him.
    "

    COME, YE SINNERS, POOR AND NEEDY
     
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    I quoted this because it was well said. Salvation isn't an academic exercise. So no one has to believe in the trinity in order to be saved. Now, if a person claimed to be saved, but rejects the Bible, it's very possible that the person isn't really saved. It's one thing to misinterpret the Bible(like believing in election or not believing in election). It's another thing to reject the truth of the Bible. Jesus is clearly taught that He is God.

    I wouldn't necessarily say that a person that didn't believe in the trinity isn't saved.
     
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    That song sounds more Old Regular than Primitive! That was the invitation hymn [Southern Baptist} the day I joined the local Church!
     
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    One does not have to understand the Trinity to be called to repentance by the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Yes, you have some of the most dangerous denominations listed on this issue. Pentecostal, C of C, and SDAs in a sense are much more dangerous than the RCC. At least the RCC does not believe in modalism. In addition to modalism, some of the denominations (including the RCC) believe in regenerational baptism. That is addition to modalism is a red flag to run swiftly from.

    JWs and Mormons are not Christian, but cults, and are not even worthy of discussion.
     
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    This is true, however I have no idea who the elect are and I could be used to show them the error of their ways.
     
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