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Can saved people drink alchoholic wine and really be saved?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Jan 2, 2008.

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Are people who drink wine really Christians?

  1. No, wine is evil and those who drink show that they have not really been saved.

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  2. Wine is evil and those who drink are PROBABLY not saved but it is possible.

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  3. Wine is Evil and it reflects a carnal Christian but does not effect salvation

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  4. Wine is good for medicinal purposes but not for anything else, but has nothing to do with salvation

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  5. Wine is a blessing from God that should be used moderately.

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  6. We have Christian liberty and can get drunk or whatever we want.

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  7. I don't like any of the options so I will post my own on the thread.

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  1. standingfirminChrist

    standingfirminChrist New Member

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    You are the one who brought up the fact that your wife is intoxicated, not me.

    What is this 'old fashioned way' you speak of?
     
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  2. Timtoolman

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    Reach for this instead of a bottle

    I Peter 5:6-7

    Humble yourselves therefore under God's mighty hadn, the HE may lift you up in due time. Cast all your anxiety on HIM because HE cares for you.
     
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  3. TCGreek

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    In the Greek text you provided a while ago, there's a little particle me, which means NOT, and when put before paroinon, we have NOT given to much wine.

    Strong's is NOT a Greek NT; it's a dictionary. :thumbs:
     
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  4. TCGreek

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    Drink a little wine, for it might help keep thou up. :laugh:
     
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  5. standingfirminChrist

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    Alcohol is not a good and perfect gift. It is not from God. Don't even lower yourself to accuse God of giving that drink which His Word declares is a poison.
     
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    So, it is "not given to wine" right?
     
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    [post deleted at the request of Joe]
     
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    [post deleted at the request of Joe]
     
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  11. TCGreek

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    Not exactly: mh, "not," but paroinos is an intensive form.

    oinos is the simple Greek word for wine, but with par shortened form of the preposition para, "with," alongside of," added on it has been intensified to mean much wine.

    So, "Not given to much wine" is a faithful translation or "Not addicted to wine."
     
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  12. Brother Bob

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    We have never allowed the use of acohol with the exception that a very few churches use real wine for communion. The use of acohol will bring expulsion.

    BBob,
     
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  13. Joe

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    Good for you :thumbs: I would love to attend your church

    Are you SBC?
     
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  14. TCGreek

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    Just this Christmas I ate a cake that a member made for our family--it was a Rum Cake.
     
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  15. Brother Bob

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    No, we are not SBC, they were too liberal for us to join. We are Old Regular Baptist.

    BBob,
     
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  16. Brother Bob

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    I can find every word except the "much" you have in your translation, I can't find it.

    BBob,
     
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  17. TCGreek

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    Look in your Strong's:

    oinos is the common word for wine.

    para + oinos is an intensive form, meaning "much wine."
     
    #197 TCGreek, Jan 3, 2008
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    Nevermind. It's pointless to ask anyway.
     
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  19. Joe

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    Sounds tasty!
     
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  20. Dr. Bob

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    Well, there you have it. 20 pages of self-righteous condemnation and name-calling.

    Fun. I am truly sorry I allowed this thread beyond post #1. The topic is hateful and demeaning and I should have snipped it immediately.

    I will watch for more such threads and ask any to hit the moderator alert, please, if another thread like this begins.

    Thread closed. And a personal note forthcoming a couple posters who may not be around much longer.

    :(
     
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