Can saved people drink alchoholic wine and really be saved?

In defense of KJVKid...

He did not say BaptistBeleiver did not know the Sinless Son of God. He said he did not know much about Him.

I cannot see where he questioned his salvation.

 

Could 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 be talking about the Kingdom of God after the tribulation?

 

Dale-c

It is you my friend that started this survey. Why are you side tracking to gluttony? Maybe you aught to start a survey to get men's take on whether eating will send you to hell.

It is now apparent to me that you have started this thread to spark an argument and that you have. I graciously give you the argument of the year award.
Now you have my permission to pop the cork and celebrate your accomplishment. Go ahead enjoy your self. You have what you wanted all along, my permission. After all, my permission should assuage your guilt. :wavey:

 

The Bible says we are not even to consider, not to experience, not to approve of wine in the fermented state.

Why does there have to be a poll seeking approval to disobey the Word of God?

 

It is found in the New Old Testament, II Opinions chapter 3...

 

I have given the Scripture many times on this board. I am sure you have seen it.

 

They seek our approval to lessen their guilt of disobedience. I have no guilt and need not seek ones approval for not drinking. Although not drinking may have cost me a couple of job promotions. Hey I think I have stumbled on why I detest the use of alcohol as a beverage in the first place. Thank you SFIC. :godisgood:

 

That’s what I said, but not to you. It was in response to some ridiculous claims that half a glass of wine lowers everyone’s inhibitions and allows them to enter into sexual immorality to which they would not enter if they did not have those three or four ounces of wine. The other poster strongly insinuated that sexual immorality would be very rare if alcoholic beverages were banned. Views like that don’t seem to take the biblical view of our sin nature very seriously.

Well, I know the sinless Son of God personally, and I happen to be one of His disciples. I’ve carefully studied His life and have tried to enact his teaching and disciplines into my life with varying success.

I’m not sure what you are driving at, but I have a pretty good understanding of it. However, if you are trying to say Jesus was subject to the rules of temple, then you would be mistaken. Jesus was not of the tribe of Levi which was required for the ministry of the temple. Instead, the New Testament makes it explicitly clear that the priesthood of Jesus surpassed the priesthood of Aaron, and that Jesus is a “priest forever in the order of Melchizedek” (see Hebrews 5:6). Of course, Melchizedek, the king of Salem, is mentioned in the book of Genesis as one who brought “bread and wine” to Abram (see Genesis 14:18)!

Sure. Are you also following his example by being honest with scripture instead of trying to twist it to meet your presuppositions?

He didn’t accept the narcotic “vinegar” on the cross, but the scriptural evidence demonstrates He did drink wine. A natural reading of the accusations of the Pharisees, as well as a straightforward reading of the wedding at Cana demonstrate that.

As someone who strives to interpret scripture according to the plain sense of the text instead of a theological/social agenda, I can come to no other conclusion. And moreover, this modern view of abstinence from alcohol is has only been around for only about 180 years in the United States. Lyman Beecher started his Temperance Society in 1825 that stressed abstinence from all forms of alcohol. Before that time (and significantly after), Baptists freely used alcoholic beverages in moderation. So what you are advocating is not actually the old way, but something very new in Christian life.

That’s because I hold to what I believe the Bible actually teaches. The longer I look at this issue, the more obvious it becomes. By the way, thanks for mentioning the “high priest” angle. I’ve never really noticed (in the context of a discussion of alcohol) that Melchizedek (the type of Christ in the Old Testament) gave bread and wine to Abram. If you claim that Melchizedek is despicable for providing wine to Abram, then by correlation, you are condemning Christ for giving his followers bread and wine.

 

I have no guilt, nor do I need anybody's approval to do so...so please quit with the labeling and judging. Deut. 14:26 is pretty straightforward, and only a severe twisting of the text brings us to your flawed conclusions.

 

Oh yes! II Opinions is the book that deals with alcohol, smoking, CCM, dancing, KJVO, women's dresses and head coverings! It was published by Pharasaical Publishing Co.

 

I couldn't find the "Yes" option so I voted "I don't like any of the options so I will post my own on the thread."

 

The OP did ask for honesty, I believe. I have seen where you have voted in other polls, though. Why not this one?

I admit up front I rarely vote in any poll, including this one, for I seldom like the options, including here (I did say rarely, not that I never do, for I have voted in a couple.), and often post in the thread to that effect. However, to my memory, this is the first time I have seen you say this, in two years. Why, now, the change of heart? Just curious.

Ed