Featured can the natural man. a sinner, overcome the Flesh by His own works and deeds?

Then stop telling us we don't understand what they believe.

The effectual calling is a false teaching???

Actually, he was. He has several sermons condemning Reformed theology and his successor, Steve Gaines, is even more aggressive in his hatred for Reformed theology.

 

In the Calvinist salvation scheme an individual must repent. Thus man participates in his own salvation.

 

I never did I am saying you do not understand what non cals believe. Two different people.

The way cals teaching...yep

Condemning reformed theology does not make one an arminian. Not all non cals are arminians

 

You left out one small detail: You forgot to mention that, included in the Reformed call to repentance is the Biblical teaching that repentance is a work of God, not of man.

LOL...Kind of like the little boy who knocks the cookie jar off the counter and then, with all the sincerity and earnestness a six year old can muster, looks at his mother and says, "But I didn't break the cookie jar, mommy! The floor did!"

I never said it made him one. It was the result of his Arminianism, not the cause of it.

 

repentance is not a work. Works are a reference to OT law and is never a reference to anything else.

 

The Bible:
Luke 13:3 NKJV
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Mark 6:12
So they went out and preached that people should repent.

Luke 15:7
I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

 

Good posts, good articulations, thank you.

 

provide scriptures that can be caused to show, by all context, that the "repentance" called for is a necessary component of salvation and redemption UNTO eternity, the one Christ shed His blood for, and maybe I'll become a Calvinist.

 

in answer to the OP. a natural man can "reform" but that is not a regenerate repenting.

 

Wow. This is the second time I've seen a calvinist say that arminians and pelagians are one and the same (the other one was evangelist).

I ascribe to most, but not all, of Arminius' teachings; and I ascribe to most, but not all, of Calvin's teachings. I'm somewhere between Arminius and Calvin. What does that make me?

The simple answer to the OP: No man can save himself. All our righteousness is as filthy rags. The question is: We all know this, so what was the purpose of the OP?

 

I would not want you to become a Calvinist, but here's your verse:

Luke 13:3 NKJV
I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

 

You've taken this out of context. The Prophet was warning 'that generation' of the wrath that was soon to come and how to escape it; it's in the same vein as:

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Acts 2

,,,and:

23 And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people. Acts 3


3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish Lu 13

The phrases “in like manner” and “likewise” are in reference to the violence of war, which indeed came to pass, and not to random incidents of chance. I would amplify the passage with vv. 3 & 5 to read:

1 Now there were some present at that very season who told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood [Pilate's soldiers] had mingled with their sacrifices.
2 And he answered and said unto them, Think ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they have suffered these things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner [by the sword] perish [in the wrath that is to come upon this generation; i.e. the war of AD 66-70]
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the [soldiers garrisoned in the tower in Siloam] fell, and killed them, think ye that they were offenders above all the men that dwell in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise [by the sword] perish [in the wrath that is to come upon this generation; i.e. the war of AD 66-70] Lu 13

 

This is an excellent, succinct response.

 

Yeshua1's posts are torturous to read.... ! Who said what in the above post?

 

No. He cannot. A fish can't bark.

 

Which arminians hold to a "none or all" philosophy?

True arminians agree with calvinists that God takes the first step. Pelagians and semi-pelagians argue that man can come to God on his own.

 

The "best saved" also still sin....and I suspect "sin "a lot"".