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George Antonios · Dec 2, 2021

1689Dave said: ↑

The Trinity Test

I post to several forums. A couple of them are heavily trafficked by antitrinitarians. I noticed we have no communication when I point out obvious trinity passages and proofs. So I began offering a simple test to see if they could spot the trinity in scripture.

I ran a Logos search to list all the scriptures that mention the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one way or another. To my surprise, none of the antitrinitarians could see the Godhead in any of them. After several tries, I realized the Spirit of Antichrist had blinded them entirely. So I realized trying to debate with them using scripture was a dead end.

Trinity Passages
English Standard Version 233 results in 42 verses

Matt 1:20

But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Matt 3:16

And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;

Matt 12:18

“Behold, my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my Spirit upon him, and he will proclaim justice to the Gentiles.

Matt 12:28

But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Matt 22:43

He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,

Matt 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Luke 1:35

And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

Luke 2:26

And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

Luke 3:22

and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”

Luke 10:21

In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.

John 1:33

I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’

John 3:5

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:34

For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure.

John 14:16

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,

John 14:26

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 15:26

“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

John 16:15

All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Acts 1:4

And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me;

Acts 2:33

Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.

Acts 7:55

But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 10:38

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.

Rom 1:4

and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Rom 8:9

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Rom 8:11

If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Rom 15:16

to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Rom 15:30

I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf,

1 Cor 6:11

And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Cor 12:3

Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor 3:3

And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

2 Cor 13:14

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

Gal 4:6

And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

Eph 2:18

For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

Eph 2:22

In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

Phil 3:3

For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh—

2 Thess 2:13

But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.

Titus 3:6

whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Heb 9:14

how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Heb 10:29

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

1 Pet 1:2

according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

1 Pet 4:14

If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you.

1 John 4:2

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

Rev 2:7

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of
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Useful list, thank you.

1689Dave · Dec 2, 2021

Dave G said: ↑

I see that Jesus Christ, Emmanuel / Immanuel or "God is with us" is not the name of the Father, nor is it the name of the Holy Ghost, my friend.
They are separate-yet-equal, and They are God.

Jesus Christ is God in-carnate ( man ), come in the flesh.
The Father remained in Heaven when the Lord Jesus came the first time, and the Holy Spirit came and went as the Godhead willed.
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Think of it this way. Kurios = YHWH in the OT. Kurios = Lord in the NT. Jesus IS the Lord. To say Jesus is the Lord is to say Jesus is YHWH. Only by the Holy Spirit can people say this which means many say it in vain.

George Antonios · Dec 2, 2021

Silverhair said: ↑

It is never quoted by the Greek fathers in their controversies on the doctrine of the Trinity - a passage which would be so much in point, and which could not have failed to be quoted if it were genuine
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So what? I have listened to debates where the main verse on a doctrine was not mentioned by either side.

Dave G · Dec 2, 2021

1689Dave said: ↑

Think of it this way. Kurios = YHWH in the OT. Kurios = Lord in the NT. Jesus IS the Lord. To say Jesus is the Lord is to say Jesus is YHWH.
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I agree.
Jesus is all of that, as well as God the Son.

1689Dave said: ↑

Only by the Holy Spirit can people say this which means many say it in vain.
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" Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." ( 1 Corinthians 12:3 )

Amen.

Silverhair · Dec 2, 2021

Dave G said: ↑

To me, it fits perfectly:

" Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." ( 1 John 5:1-13, AV, verse numbers removed ).

It tells me that there are Three that bear record in Heaven, and three that bear witness in earth.
Focusing in on the 3 that bear record in Heaven, I clearly see that the Father is mentioned, then the Word ( Jesus Christ, the word made flesh from John 1:14 ), then the Holy Ghost.

Putting that together with other statements that God's word makes,
I clearly see the Godhead from Romans 1:18-20 is declared, and Matthew 28:19 is also unmistakably speaking of the same:

" Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: "

I'm not sure how anyone can miss it...
But, I also recognize that you are free to disagree with me as you see fit.

May God bless you, sir.
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If an error is repeated a 1000 times it does make it any less wrong. If the end of 1Jn 5:7 was not part of the original that does not alter the fact of the trinity. But adding to the text of scripture does make that addition correct.

Silverhair · Dec 2, 2021

George Antonios said: ↑

So what? I have listened to debates where the main verse on a doctrine was not mentioned by either side.
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So you think adding to the text of scripture is OK?

Jec81 · Dec 3, 2021

You forgot Genesis 1:1-2 another trinity proof text describing all three's job. Plain and simple.

1689Dave · Dec 3, 2021

Jec81 said: ↑

You forgot Genesis 1:1-2 another trinity proof text describing all three's job. Plain and simple.
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“Approach Me and listen to this. From the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time anything existed, I was there.” And now the Lord GOD has sent me and His Spirit.” (Isaiah 48:16) (HCSB)

The Test was aimed at the NT for the abundance of clear passages. But thanks for chipping in.

George Antonios · Dec 3, 2021

Silverhair said: ↑

So you think adding to the text of scripture is OK?
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Who said it was added (?) was exactly my point...

Conan · Dec 3, 2021

Dave G said: ↑

To me, it fits perfectly:

" Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." ( 1 John 5:1-13, AV, verse numbers removed ).

It tells me that there are Three that bear record in Heaven, and three that bear witness in earth.
Focusing in on the 3 that bear record in Heaven, I clearly see that the Father is mentioned, then the Word ( Jesus Christ, the word made flesh from John 1:14 ), then the Holy Ghost.

Putting that together with other statements that God's word makes,
I clearly see the Godhead from Romans 1:18-20 is declared, and Matthew 28:19 is also unmistakably speaking of the same:

" Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: "

I'm not sure how anyone can miss it...
But, I also recognize that you are free to disagree with me as you see fit.

May God bless you, sir.
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I have taken the liberty of adding [brackets] around the words which are not in the Greek. I believe if you read 1 John 5:1-21 without the words in the [brackets] you will be able to see they were added later to the chapter.

Conan · Dec 3, 2021

Dave G said: ↑

Yes I do, and I do so unreservedly and with full conviction...
and respectfully, nothing that anyone can tell me will ever convince me that those are not God's words, inspired by Him and which the apostle John wrote under that same inspiration.

Here they are in English, Spanish, French, German and Italian for comparison ( and for those who read those languages ), my friend:

" For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." ( 1 John 5:7, KJV ).
" For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." ( 1 John 5:7, NKJV ) .

" Porque tres son los que dan testimonio en el cielo, el Padre, el Verbo, y el Espíritu Santo: y estos tres son uno." ( 1 John 5:7, RVA ).

" Car il y en a trois dans le Ciel qui rendent témoignage, le Père, la Parole, et le Saint-Esprit; et ces trois-là ne sont qu'un." ( 1 John 5:7, Martin 1744 ).
" Car ils sont trois qui rendent témoignage dans le ciel : le Père, le Verbe et l’Esprit-Saint ; et ces trois sont une seule chose." ( 1 John 5:7, Louis Segond 1905 ).

" Denn drei sind, die da zeugen im Himmel: der Vater, das Wort und der Heilige Geist; und diese drei sind eins." ( 1 John 5:7 German Modernized )

"Perciocchè tre son quelli che testimoniano nel cielo: il Padre, e la Parola, e lo Spirito Santo; e questi tre sono una stessa cosa." ( 1 John 5:7, Giovanni Diodati 1649 ).

" οτι τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τω ουρανω ο πατηρ ο λογος και το αγιον πνευμα και ουτοι οι τρεις εν εισιν" <----- That is God's word.

Interlinear Bible: 1 John 5:7 - Textus Receptus Bibles

To me, the words, when carefully examined, clearly describe the "Trinity" in no uncertain terms;
I've also always known that they were God's words, and I have no doubt in my mind that they are written in Heaven the same way.

Good evening to you, sir.
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A few more reformation Textus Receptus Bibles if I may be allowed.

Tyndale Bible 1534

5:5 Who is it that overcommeth the worlde: but he which beleveth that Iesus is the sonne of god?
5:6 This Iesus Christ is he that cam by water and bloud not by water only: but by water and bloud. And it is the sprete that beareth witnes because the sprete ys trueth.
5:7 (For ther are thre which beare recorde in heuen the father the worde and the wholy goost. And these thre are one)
5:8 For there are thre which beare recorde (in erth) the sprete and water and bloud: and these thre are one.
5:9 Yf we receave the witnes of men the witnes of god is greater. For this is the witnes of god which he testifyed of his sonne.

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The Great Bible 1539
(For ther are thre which beare recorde in heauen the father the worde & the wholy goost. And these thre are one.)

Matthew's Bible 1537
(For there are thre which beare recorde in heauen, the father, the worde, and the holye Ghoste. And these thre are one.)

Coverdale Bible 1535
(For there are thre which beare recorde in heauen: the father, the worde, and the holy goost, & these thre are one.)

37818 · Dec 3, 2021

SavedByGrace said: ↑

In Psalm 110:1, 5, you have TWO distinct Persons Who are equally called YHWH

"YHWH said to My Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool...YHWH at Your Right Hand"

We have the first YHWH Who is the Father. Then we have ADONI, My Lord, which is also a Name used for Almighty God in the Old Testament, here used for Jesus Christ. In verse 5, according to at least 20 Hebrew MT manuscripts by the Jews, instead of ADON, have YHWH. This makes the ADONI of verse 1, YHWH, which makes TWO Persons Who are equally called YHWH.

In Isaiah 48:16, we have YHWH as the Speaker, Who says that, He and the Holy Spirit, were sent by “Adonay YHWH”

In 2 Samuel 23:2, we have a very clear reference where The Holy Spirit is called YHWH:

“The Spirit of the LORD speaks by me (heb., דִּבֶּר־בִּי, is masculine); His word (heb. וּמִלָּתוֹ , is feminine, lit, “Her word”) is on my tongue. The God of Israel has spoken; the Rock of Israel has said to me”

We would have expected “אֶת־דְּבָרוֹ”, the masculine, “His word”, which would agree with “יהוה” (YHWH), which is masculine. However, with the use of the feminine, “וּמִלָּתוֹ”, it is clear that The Spirit is meant, so that “The Spirit of the Lord”, IS the subject, and refers to One, and not two Persons. It is "His Word”, that is, The Spirit’s, that is on the tongue of David. The following words also belong to the Spirit, Who is also called “The God of Israel”, and “the Rock of Israel”. Very clear testimony to the full Deity of the Holy Spirit.

Here we have THREE distinct Persons in the Old Testament, Who are equally Almighty God
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Nowhere is YHWH at right hand of anyone. No such verse.

SavedByGrace · Dec 3, 2021

37818 said: ↑

Nowhere is YHWH at right hand of anyone. No such verse.
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Verse 5 says that Jesus Christ is YHWH

In verse 1 God the Father is called YHWH

as Jesus is at the Right Hand of the Father, YHWH is at the Right Hand of YHWH!

Yeshua1 · Dec 3, 2021

Dave G said: ↑

The way I understand the Scriptures,
the Lord is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit...
Three distinct Persons all agreeing in one.

Not "Modalism", but the Godhead, Dave.

Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ,
the Father is the Father,
and the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of the Father making intercession for His people, just as the Scriptures declare...
Until He comes again.

All believers have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, just as the Scriptures declare.

God the Father reigns in Heaven, sent the Lord Jesus to atone for the sins of His people, and sits over the circle of the earth, just as the Bible says.
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So you see right now 3 Persons, and One God?

Yeshua1 · Dec 3, 2021

37818 said: ↑

Nowhere is YHWH at right hand of anyone. No such verse.
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Jesus is Yahweh, and sitting on Father right hand!

37818 · Dec 3, 2021

SavedByGrace said: ↑

Verse 5 says that Jesus Christ is YHWH
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False. Psalms 110:5, ". . . The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. . . ." The Lord at the right hand there being a man the son of David verse 1.
Psalms 110:1, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. . . ."
" . . . YHWH said to my Lord . . . ." Refers to Christ as the Lord as the man. Matthew 22:42-45. 1 Timothy 2:5.

Yeshua1 · Dec 3, 2021

37818 said: ↑

False. Psalms 110:5, ". . . The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. . . ." The Lord at the right hand there being a man the son of David verse 1.
Psalms 110:1, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. . . ."
" . . . YHWH said to my Lord . . . ." Refers to Christ as the Lord as the man. Matthew 22:42-45. 1 Timothy 2:5.
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Is Jesus Yahweh?

SavedByGrace · Dec 3, 2021

37818 said: ↑

False. Psalms 110:5, ". . . The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. . . ." The Lord at the right hand there being a man the son of David verse 1.
Psalms 110:1, "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. . . ."
" . . . YHWH said to my Lord . . . ." Refers to Christ as the Lord as the man. Matthew 22:42-45. 1 Timothy 2:5.
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YHWH in verse 5 is the Lord Jesus Christ and not the Father

1689Dave · Dec 3, 2021

37818 said: ↑

Nowhere is YHWH at right hand of anyone. No such verse.
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You are saying Jesus is not God. This is considered Heresy. Pray that you can see that He is. Seeing how you cannot divide God into parts. YHWH is always the eternal Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Yeshua1 · Dec 3, 2021

SavedByGrace said: ↑

YHWH in verse 5 is the Lord Jesus Christ and not the Father
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Would make no sense if it stated the father sat next to the father!

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